1 00:00:05,510 --> 00:00:02,570 on this episode is skeptical 2 00:00:07,249 --> 00:00:05,520 show about mental health reform 3 00:00:11,509 --> 00:00:07,259 and covid 4 00:00:13,009 --> 00:00:11,519 and ultimately a show about evil 5 00:00:16,129 --> 00:00:13,019 I have an interview coming up in a 6 00:00:19,429 --> 00:00:16,139 minute with Dr Peter bragan psychiatrist 7 00:00:22,790 --> 00:00:19,439 and someone who really has well an 8 00:00:26,089 --> 00:00:22,800 unparalleled career in terms of mental 9 00:00:28,189 --> 00:00:26,099 health reform you'll hear all about that 10 00:00:30,529 --> 00:00:28,199 but what you'll also hear and what I 11 00:00:33,709 --> 00:00:30,539 found particularly interesting from this 12 00:00:37,310 --> 00:00:33,719 kind of skeptical perspective we have is 13 00:00:40,970 --> 00:00:37,320 he says that the biggest obstacle that 14 00:00:43,490 --> 00:00:40,980 he faced in just convincing people in 15 00:00:45,950 --> 00:00:43,500 his community you know psychotherapists 16 00:00:49,310 --> 00:00:45,960 that what he was Finding in the mental 17 00:00:52,010 --> 00:00:49,320 health field in terms of corruption and 18 00:00:53,750 --> 00:00:52,020 deception and completely immoral stuff 19 00:00:55,970 --> 00:00:53,760 that was going on 20 00:00:57,590 --> 00:00:55,980 the biggest problem in convincing people 21 00:00:59,569 --> 00:00:57,600 that was true is that just didn't want 22 00:01:02,209 --> 00:00:59,579 to accept evil they didn't want to 23 00:01:04,490 --> 00:01:02,219 accept accept the idea that you know 24 00:01:07,969 --> 00:01:04,500 people were doing really really bad 25 00:01:10,490 --> 00:01:07,979 things on an individual level and at an 26 00:01:12,710 --> 00:01:10,500 Institutional level 27 00:01:14,870 --> 00:01:12,720 so the reason I say it's kind of a 28 00:01:18,289 --> 00:01:14,880 skeptical thing is it does seem like 29 00:01:19,910 --> 00:01:18,299 we've run into that again and again on 30 00:01:23,390 --> 00:01:19,920 this show we're really smart people 31 00:01:25,850 --> 00:01:23,400 people you wouldn't expect to be lying 32 00:01:28,670 --> 00:01:25,860 to what we all understand is that 33 00:01:31,850 --> 00:01:28,680 there's just some people that are really 34 00:01:34,910 --> 00:01:31,860 messed up and that maybe they're messed 35 00:01:37,490 --> 00:01:34,920 up at a level Beyond this biological 36 00:01:39,050 --> 00:01:37,500 robot level which we'll get into in a 37 00:01:41,590 --> 00:01:39,060 minute and I always like these movie 38 00:01:46,190 --> 00:01:41,600 clips I think it's it's it's it's 39 00:01:48,350 --> 00:01:46,200 interesting what how we've understood it 40 00:01:50,929 --> 00:01:48,360 from that kind of cultural perspective 41 00:01:54,350 --> 00:01:50,939 so I have one for you today from 42 00:01:57,289 --> 00:01:54,360 Backdraft a movie from 20 years ago with 43 00:02:00,170 --> 00:01:57,299 some really amazing actors and here is 44 00:02:03,109 --> 00:02:00,180 uh Donald Sutherland playing the 45 00:02:05,870 --> 00:02:03,119 psychopathic arsonist in front of the 46 00:02:07,789 --> 00:02:05,880 parole board until 47 00:02:10,490 --> 00:02:07,799 our buddy 48 00:02:13,190 --> 00:02:10,500 Robert De Niro jumps in 49 00:02:15,949 --> 00:02:13,200 here's the clip 50 00:02:17,990 --> 00:02:15,959 the Pearl board has received Mr bartel's 51 00:02:20,750 --> 00:02:18,000 Fitness report endorsement from his 52 00:02:22,729 --> 00:02:20,760 section award Dr Norris 53 00:02:24,650 --> 00:02:22,739 supervising psychiatrist I would 54 00:02:27,710 --> 00:02:24,660 describe Mr bartel's progress is 55 00:02:31,130 --> 00:02:27,720 remarkable Mr Bartel do you regret your 56 00:02:34,309 --> 00:02:31,140 crimes yes and I'm aware 57 00:02:37,009 --> 00:02:34,319 of the pain that I have caused 58 00:02:40,070 --> 00:02:37,019 excuse me excuse me 59 00:02:42,050 --> 00:02:40,080 remember this Ronald remember who it 60 00:02:43,610 --> 00:02:42,060 belonged to 61 00:02:49,130 --> 00:02:43,620 what did you do with that little girl 62 00:02:58,490 --> 00:02:51,050 you burned 63 00:03:02,449 --> 00:03:01,009 and what about the world Ronald 64 00:03:04,729 --> 00:03:02,459 what would you like to do in the whole 65 00:03:11,869 --> 00:03:07,369 burn it all 66 00:03:18,350 --> 00:03:14,930 so of course it's Hollywood dramatic and 67 00:03:20,330 --> 00:03:18,360 this one especially dramatic of that of 68 00:03:23,030 --> 00:03:20,340 that era 69 00:03:26,630 --> 00:03:23,040 but you gotta wonder if 70 00:03:31,550 --> 00:03:26,640 the kind of you know wacky dogmatic 71 00:03:33,350 --> 00:03:31,560 scientism you are just your brain so the 72 00:03:35,390 --> 00:03:33,360 psychiatrists on the parole board like 73 00:03:37,490 --> 00:03:35,400 I've looked at my numbers I've done my 74 00:03:40,910 --> 00:03:37,500 tests you know you you got to be all 75 00:03:44,149 --> 00:03:40,920 right you can't really be evil 76 00:03:48,350 --> 00:03:44,159 you gotta wonder I gotta Wonder 77 00:03:50,570 --> 00:03:48,360 if that's not at the root cause a lot of 78 00:03:52,369 --> 00:03:50,580 this stuff we see 79 00:03:57,170 --> 00:03:52,379 here's a clip from the upcoming 80 00:04:03,890 --> 00:04:00,050 you mentioned very earlier Consciousness 81 00:04:06,229 --> 00:04:03,900 and the people we're dealing with who 82 00:04:08,390 --> 00:04:06,239 are managing Public Health they actually 83 00:04:10,190 --> 00:04:08,400 don't believe in Consciousness they 84 00:04:12,050 --> 00:04:10,200 don't believe people have free will they 85 00:04:14,630 --> 00:04:12,060 don't believe that that there's such a 86 00:04:16,249 --> 00:04:14,640 thing as love they actually think we're 87 00:04:18,349 --> 00:04:16,259 objects 88 00:04:20,390 --> 00:04:18,359 the people who want to drug all our 89 00:04:22,670 --> 00:04:20,400 children and the same people who want to 90 00:04:25,010 --> 00:04:22,680 vaccinate all our children they don't 91 00:04:29,150 --> 00:04:25,020 really think then of the children as 92 00:04:31,909 --> 00:04:29,160 beings or spiritual creatures as people 93 00:04:34,430 --> 00:04:31,919 with a need and a desire to live and to 94 00:04:37,129 --> 00:04:34,440 be themselves and to grow up and explore 95 00:04:40,129 --> 00:04:37,139 the world and everything done under 96 00:04:42,770 --> 00:04:40,139 covid-19 has been to destroy that cover 97 00:04:44,930 --> 00:04:42,780 our faces with mass so we can't relate 98 00:04:47,090 --> 00:04:44,940 to each other we can't care about each 99 00:04:49,790 --> 00:04:47,100 other the whole works is about 100 00:04:53,090 --> 00:04:49,800 destroying human connection 101 00:04:55,550 --> 00:04:53,100 dragon is great he's a giant 102 00:04:56,570 --> 00:04:55,560 we stand on the shoulders of people like 103 00:04:59,570 --> 00:04:56,580 this 104 00:05:03,590 --> 00:04:59,580 stick around my interview with Dr Peter 105 00:05:05,629 --> 00:05:03,600 bragan is coming up here on skeptico 106 00:05:07,909 --> 00:05:05,639 welcome to skeptico where we explore 107 00:05:10,430 --> 00:05:07,919 controversial science and spirituality 108 00:05:12,650 --> 00:05:10,440 with leading researchers thinkers and 109 00:05:15,710 --> 00:05:12,660 their critics I'm your host Alex Karis 110 00:05:18,110 --> 00:05:15,720 and today we welcome Dr Peter bragan to 111 00:05:21,730 --> 00:05:18,120 skeptico he's here to talk about his new 112 00:05:25,430 --> 00:05:21,740 book covid-19 and the global Predators 113 00:05:28,790 --> 00:05:25,440 Dr bregan is a Harvard trained medical 114 00:05:30,590 --> 00:05:28,800 doctor psychiatrist long time practicing 115 00:05:34,310 --> 00:05:30,600 psychotherapist 116 00:05:36,670 --> 00:05:34,320 and he has had just a truly remarkable 117 00:05:40,249 --> 00:05:36,680 career really 118 00:05:42,490 --> 00:05:40,259 unsurpassed career as a reformer in the 119 00:05:45,230 --> 00:05:42,500 mental health field and I bring that up 120 00:05:47,510 --> 00:05:45,240 mainly because I think it's super 121 00:05:51,469 --> 00:05:47,520 relevant to everything we're going to 122 00:05:53,450 --> 00:05:51,479 talk about today and about his book so 123 00:05:55,010 --> 00:05:53,460 when I say that let me put that into 124 00:06:00,350 --> 00:05:55,020 context 125 00:06:02,270 --> 00:06:00,360 this guy Dr bregan is Battle tested in a 126 00:06:04,450 --> 00:06:02,280 way that few other people are 127 00:06:07,070 --> 00:06:04,460 like when they were still doing 128 00:06:08,689 --> 00:06:07,080 lobotomies on people which isn't that 129 00:06:10,610 --> 00:06:08,699 long ago if you read this guy's history 130 00:06:12,590 --> 00:06:10,620 like 1970s 131 00:06:15,350 --> 00:06:12,600 he was one of the few people to stand up 132 00:06:17,150 --> 00:06:15,360 and go no this is not right this is 133 00:06:18,830 --> 00:06:17,160 morally wrong in addition to being 134 00:06:22,610 --> 00:06:18,840 ethically wrong 135 00:06:25,790 --> 00:06:22,620 he stood up he stood up to electroshock 136 00:06:27,950 --> 00:06:25,800 therapy which unfortunately isn't 137 00:06:33,430 --> 00:06:27,960 completely banned but somebody who stood 138 00:06:36,650 --> 00:06:33,440 up he stood up to giving very dangerous 139 00:06:39,350 --> 00:06:36,660 psychiatric drugs to Children he stood 140 00:06:41,990 --> 00:06:39,360 up for that for decades what that's 141 00:06:45,050 --> 00:06:42,000 brought to him in his life in terms of 142 00:06:46,670 --> 00:06:45,060 even death threats believe it or not but 143 00:06:50,330 --> 00:06:46,680 battles and 144 00:06:51,589 --> 00:06:50,340 being shunned by a lot of people in his 145 00:06:54,469 --> 00:06:51,599 community 146 00:06:56,510 --> 00:06:54,479 all that he has fought against because 147 00:07:00,409 --> 00:06:56,520 he felt that it was the right thing to 148 00:07:04,370 --> 00:07:00,419 do it was the morally right thing to do 149 00:07:07,550 --> 00:07:04,380 and isn't that the kind of guy we need 150 00:07:10,010 --> 00:07:07,560 to fight this battle I think that's what 151 00:07:13,909 --> 00:07:10,020 we need so that's why I was super 152 00:07:16,129 --> 00:07:13,919 excited when Dr bragan agreed to come on 153 00:07:18,170 --> 00:07:16,139 and join me on skeptico so I'm so glad 154 00:07:19,189 --> 00:07:18,180 you're here thanks so much for joining 155 00:07:22,370 --> 00:07:19,199 me 156 00:07:25,850 --> 00:07:22,380 thank you for the very nice introduction 157 00:07:28,730 --> 00:07:25,860 um I really deeply appreciate it and for 158 00:07:31,610 --> 00:07:28,740 uh mentioning the book it is surprising 159 00:07:34,790 --> 00:07:31,620 that no one else has written a book that 160 00:07:36,950 --> 00:07:34,800 looks at the Deep dive of 161 00:07:41,210 --> 00:07:36,960 um just who is behind all of the 162 00:07:43,430 --> 00:07:41,220 covid-19 uh stuff you mentioned Robert F 163 00:07:48,230 --> 00:07:43,440 Kennedy's excellent book on the real 164 00:07:51,350 --> 00:07:48,240 Anthony fauci he was very generous in in 165 00:07:53,330 --> 00:07:51,360 saying that this book that our book was 166 00:07:55,850 --> 00:07:53,340 the one oh there my goodness you're on 167 00:07:59,270 --> 00:07:55,860 top of things here's what he wrote no 168 00:08:02,390 --> 00:07:59,280 other book so comprehensively covers the 169 00:08:05,270 --> 00:08:02,400 details of covid-19 criminal conduct 170 00:08:08,589 --> 00:08:05,280 it's pretty direct as well as its 171 00:08:11,990 --> 00:08:08,599 origins in a network of global Predators 172 00:08:16,010 --> 00:08:12,000 seeking wealth and power at the expense 173 00:08:19,550 --> 00:08:16,020 of human freedom and prosperity 174 00:08:21,469 --> 00:08:19,560 wow uh I think I think that's a powerful 175 00:08:23,830 --> 00:08:21,479 powerful statement and I think it's true 176 00:08:27,170 --> 00:08:23,840 in terms of what your book is all about 177 00:08:30,290 --> 00:08:27,180 yeah there is something in US humans 178 00:08:33,949 --> 00:08:30,300 that it's very hard for us to accept 179 00:08:37,250 --> 00:08:33,959 that people in power 180 00:08:40,670 --> 00:08:37,260 um are actually planning their own 181 00:08:43,009 --> 00:08:40,680 increase in power and wealth without uh 182 00:08:45,530 --> 00:08:43,019 any regard for our well-being whatsoever 183 00:08:48,949 --> 00:08:45,540 they're just interested in the pr image 184 00:08:51,290 --> 00:08:48,959 they create as they 185 00:08:53,990 --> 00:08:51,300 um basically exploit to the rest of 186 00:08:58,009 --> 00:08:54,000 humanity this is a really hard 187 00:09:00,889 --> 00:08:58,019 hard concept for people to accept we you 188 00:09:03,230 --> 00:09:00,899 know as children we want to believe our 189 00:09:05,930 --> 00:09:03,240 parents or our well-meaning of course 190 00:09:07,790 --> 00:09:05,940 and they're not always their parents are 191 00:09:10,490 --> 00:09:07,800 not always well-meaning but we hope they 192 00:09:11,870 --> 00:09:10,500 are and they're a lot more well-meaning 193 00:09:14,810 --> 00:09:11,880 uh 194 00:09:18,170 --> 00:09:14,820 because they're tied to us by affection 195 00:09:20,750 --> 00:09:18,180 by Love by parental responsibility but 196 00:09:22,910 --> 00:09:20,760 as we go further up the line of 197 00:09:24,949 --> 00:09:22,920 authority and grow up and we start 198 00:09:27,530 --> 00:09:24,959 thinking about what is Bill Gates doing 199 00:09:29,630 --> 00:09:27,540 what is Klaus Schwab doing what's 200 00:09:32,090 --> 00:09:29,640 Michael Bloomberg doing these are people 201 00:09:35,570 --> 00:09:32,100 who organize International conferences 202 00:09:38,990 --> 00:09:35,580 of powerful people uh what is Ted Rose 203 00:09:41,030 --> 00:09:39,000 doing at the World Health Organization 204 00:09:43,550 --> 00:09:41,040 um what is Xi ji ping doing in China 205 00:09:45,250 --> 00:09:43,560 because he plays a very big role in a 206 00:09:50,269 --> 00:09:45,260 lot of what's happening to us through 207 00:09:52,730 --> 00:09:50,279 his connections to uh Bill Gates who's 208 00:09:54,949 --> 00:09:52,740 very strong Chinese Communist leaders 209 00:09:57,290 --> 00:09:54,959 very strong connections to Bill Gates at 210 00:10:00,530 --> 00:09:57,300 least Bill Gates thinks so and is 211 00:10:04,009 --> 00:10:00,540 working with him and it's hard for us to 212 00:10:06,230 --> 00:10:04,019 imagine that these people don't have a 213 00:10:08,350 --> 00:10:06,240 lot of consideration 214 00:10:11,030 --> 00:10:08,360 um for us 215 00:10:14,810 --> 00:10:11,040 there's a rarely we get a glimpse into 216 00:10:17,210 --> 00:10:14,820 it there's a felony Harari who is a very 217 00:10:22,430 --> 00:10:17,220 close associate of Klaus Schwab who is 218 00:10:25,490 --> 00:10:22,440 the creator of much of the um much of 219 00:10:27,530 --> 00:10:25,500 this Supra order above States but he 220 00:10:29,210 --> 00:10:27,540 works with all the all the top 221 00:10:31,250 --> 00:10:29,220 businesses in the world the top 222 00:10:33,710 --> 00:10:31,260 billionaires in the world deciding among 223 00:10:35,870 --> 00:10:33,720 themselves have to run things without 224 00:10:38,750 --> 00:10:35,880 regard for human rights without regard 225 00:10:40,850 --> 00:10:38,760 to government sovereignty and he talks 226 00:10:43,790 --> 00:10:40,860 about the dispensability of human beings 227 00:10:46,310 --> 00:10:43,800 but most of them don't just openly let 228 00:10:49,069 --> 00:10:46,320 us know what they're thinking you know 229 00:10:50,990 --> 00:10:49,079 that's an interesting point and uh one 230 00:10:53,810 --> 00:10:51,000 of the things I I want to try and not do 231 00:10:57,889 --> 00:10:53,820 is get lost in 232 00:11:00,530 --> 00:10:57,899 all the names and all the power elite 233 00:11:02,870 --> 00:11:00,540 kind of things because what I think you 234 00:11:04,670 --> 00:11:02,880 really bring throughout your career if 235 00:11:05,630 --> 00:11:04,680 somebody really traces what you've been 236 00:11:09,050 --> 00:11:05,640 about 237 00:11:12,889 --> 00:11:09,060 you know your battle for mental health 238 00:11:14,750 --> 00:11:12,899 reform is really a battle about 239 00:11:16,730 --> 00:11:14,760 how we understand our human 240 00:11:19,030 --> 00:11:16,740 consciousness how we understand our 241 00:11:22,550 --> 00:11:19,040 humanness how we understand 242 00:11:25,310 --> 00:11:22,560 sovereignty that goes with consciousness 243 00:11:27,110 --> 00:11:25,320 I I thought I'd play a little clip from 244 00:11:29,750 --> 00:11:27,120 a YouTube that you did that in a way 245 00:11:32,470 --> 00:11:29,760 isn't related and in another way is 246 00:11:34,610 --> 00:11:32,480 related and this is a series you did on 247 00:11:37,009 --> 00:11:34,620 Psychiatry Psychotherapy just help 248 00:11:40,490 --> 00:11:37,019 people understand some of the basics let 249 00:11:42,530 --> 00:11:40,500 me play this for folks and then let's 250 00:11:46,130 --> 00:11:42,540 chat about it for a minute I'm Peter 251 00:11:48,370 --> 00:11:46,140 obriggan MD and I am a psychiatrist let 252 00:11:51,769 --> 00:11:48,380 me say that I've been doing 253 00:11:55,129 --> 00:11:51,779 Psychotherapy since 1968. 254 00:11:57,769 --> 00:11:55,139 and during this entire time I've never 255 00:11:59,750 --> 00:11:57,779 had a suicide in my practice I think 256 00:12:02,210 --> 00:11:59,760 some of it is luck but I think another 257 00:12:04,670 --> 00:12:02,220 big reason is is that I never give 258 00:12:06,889 --> 00:12:04,680 psychiatric drugs to people for their 259 00:12:09,290 --> 00:12:06,899 problems I don't start people on drugs 260 00:12:10,910 --> 00:12:09,300 so if you come to me feeling suicidal I 261 00:12:12,470 --> 00:12:10,920 don't give you a drug why would I give 262 00:12:15,430 --> 00:12:12,480 you an antidepressant when it's got a 263 00:12:18,110 --> 00:12:15,440 big box warning on it that up to age 24 264 00:12:19,970 --> 00:12:18,120 you even see an increased suicide rate 265 00:12:21,050 --> 00:12:19,980 on antidepressants and control clinical 266 00:12:23,930 --> 00:12:21,060 trials 267 00:12:26,930 --> 00:12:23,940 and depression what happens is there's a 268 00:12:29,210 --> 00:12:26,940 total loss of Hope so 269 00:12:31,550 --> 00:12:29,220 what's the answer 270 00:12:32,569 --> 00:12:31,560 to depression from the Viewpoint of a 271 00:12:34,610 --> 00:12:32,579 therapist 272 00:12:35,930 --> 00:12:34,620 well the most important thing is be 273 00:12:37,610 --> 00:12:35,940 hopeful 274 00:12:39,110 --> 00:12:37,620 and that is your average psychiatrist 275 00:12:41,090 --> 00:12:39,120 look hopeful 276 00:12:43,370 --> 00:12:41,100 all right go to an American Psychiatric 277 00:12:44,990 --> 00:12:43,380 association meeting uh 278 00:12:47,329 --> 00:12:45,000 because people will give drugs and 279 00:12:48,590 --> 00:12:47,339 diagnose people they become unhappy 280 00:12:53,449 --> 00:12:48,600 people 281 00:12:55,970 --> 00:12:53,459 that's good 282 00:12:57,050 --> 00:12:55,980 oh it's it's great tell us about some of 283 00:12:58,370 --> 00:12:57,060 the points that you're trying to make 284 00:13:00,889 --> 00:12:58,380 there what you're trying to get across 285 00:13:04,550 --> 00:13:00,899 and how that fits into your long career 286 00:13:07,970 --> 00:13:04,560 in trying to help people inside of this 287 00:13:10,550 --> 00:13:07,980 model that seems to be in a way that is 288 00:13:12,949 --> 00:13:10,560 echoed in your latest book 289 00:13:15,410 --> 00:13:12,959 in a system that seems to trying to be 290 00:13:17,829 --> 00:13:15,420 pull people down in a way 291 00:13:20,990 --> 00:13:17,839 yeah well you mentioned very earlier 292 00:13:23,750 --> 00:13:21,000 Consciousness and the people we're 293 00:13:24,949 --> 00:13:23,760 dealing with who are managing Public 294 00:13:27,110 --> 00:13:24,959 Health 295 00:13:28,490 --> 00:13:27,120 um and trying to you know control what 296 00:13:29,990 --> 00:13:28,500 we're doing here in America they 297 00:13:32,210 --> 00:13:30,000 actually don't believe in Consciousness 298 00:13:34,129 --> 00:13:32,220 they don't believe people have free will 299 00:13:37,310 --> 00:13:34,139 they don't believe that that there's 300 00:13:39,290 --> 00:13:37,320 such a thing as love they want to crush 301 00:13:42,949 --> 00:13:39,300 religion they want to crush a belief in 302 00:13:45,050 --> 00:13:42,959 God they want to crush even uh the idea 303 00:13:47,210 --> 00:13:45,060 that we have personal freedom all of 304 00:13:49,550 --> 00:13:47,220 which is relevant to psychotherapy I 305 00:13:51,230 --> 00:13:49,560 mean what what what do we bring to 306 00:13:53,269 --> 00:13:51,240 psychotherapy 307 00:13:56,030 --> 00:13:53,279 um if we don't bring this those 308 00:13:58,610 --> 00:13:56,040 spiritual aspects to it 309 00:14:01,370 --> 00:13:58,620 um but they are devoid they literally 310 00:14:02,569 --> 00:14:01,380 are devoid of a concept of it it's you 311 00:14:04,310 --> 00:14:02,579 know I was thinking last night with 312 00:14:06,590 --> 00:14:04,320 ginger and this really perked her up I 313 00:14:08,810 --> 00:14:06,600 said it's like they're all functioning 314 00:14:10,850 --> 00:14:08,820 but they're autistic they actually think 315 00:14:14,269 --> 00:14:10,860 we're objects 316 00:14:16,370 --> 00:14:14,279 by the old initial definition of autism 317 00:14:19,430 --> 00:14:16,380 which is still the best is that it's a 318 00:14:21,290 --> 00:14:19,440 person who probably for developmental 319 00:14:24,170 --> 00:14:21,300 reasons and their relationships with 320 00:14:27,410 --> 00:14:24,180 family doesn't develop a concept that 321 00:14:30,230 --> 00:14:27,420 there are actual people who are caring 322 00:14:32,810 --> 00:14:30,240 and who love us and we can relate to 323 00:14:36,170 --> 00:14:32,820 them and and they're very different than 324 00:14:38,269 --> 00:14:36,180 objects and machines but the people who 325 00:14:40,009 --> 00:14:38,279 want to drug all our children and the 326 00:14:42,170 --> 00:14:40,019 same people who want to vaccinate all 327 00:14:45,170 --> 00:14:42,180 our children they don't really think 328 00:14:48,710 --> 00:14:45,180 then of the children as beings or 329 00:14:51,050 --> 00:14:48,720 spiritual creatures as people with a 330 00:14:53,329 --> 00:14:51,060 need and a desire to live and to be 331 00:14:56,329 --> 00:14:53,339 themselves and to grow up and explore 332 00:14:58,790 --> 00:14:56,339 the world and and uh and find some 333 00:15:01,310 --> 00:14:58,800 comfort and basic spiritual Concepts 334 00:15:04,670 --> 00:15:01,320 like there's a loving God or that the 335 00:15:08,389 --> 00:15:04,680 world has a spiritual Force within it so 336 00:15:10,790 --> 00:15:08,399 it's a it's a world devoid of all of the 337 00:15:13,009 --> 00:15:10,800 things that most of us who are thought 338 00:15:14,750 --> 00:15:13,019 want to believe or important 339 00:15:17,150 --> 00:15:14,760 particularly the idea of love that we 340 00:15:19,430 --> 00:15:17,160 should love one another and that 341 00:15:22,189 --> 00:15:19,440 failures of relationship which is what I 342 00:15:25,870 --> 00:15:22,199 was talking about in the in the video 343 00:15:30,350 --> 00:15:25,880 ultimately that the depression sadness 344 00:15:34,310 --> 00:15:30,360 misery of the worst psychosis all of it 345 00:15:38,990 --> 00:15:34,320 is a is about a loss of trust Faith 346 00:15:42,290 --> 00:15:39,000 connection with other human beings 347 00:15:44,810 --> 00:15:42,300 um and or with any concept of God or of 348 00:15:46,370 --> 00:15:44,820 a good spirituality in the universe to 349 00:15:50,990 --> 00:15:46,380 which we can connect 350 00:15:53,030 --> 00:15:51,000 and once people can connect with that 351 00:15:55,550 --> 00:15:53,040 um with a hopeful therapist with a 352 00:15:58,189 --> 00:15:55,560 caring therapist or another human being 353 00:16:01,009 --> 00:15:58,199 a minister a priest a friend a family 354 00:16:03,710 --> 00:16:01,019 member if that connection can be 355 00:16:06,650 --> 00:16:03,720 restored to just one other human being 356 00:16:10,129 --> 00:16:06,660 then we have strength and then we we 357 00:16:12,350 --> 00:16:10,139 begin to get our Vitality back what the 358 00:16:14,930 --> 00:16:12,360 the book is pointing out is that 359 00:16:17,689 --> 00:16:14,940 everything done under covid-19 has been 360 00:16:20,269 --> 00:16:17,699 to destroy that cover our faces with 361 00:16:22,790 --> 00:16:20,279 mass so we can't relate to each other we 362 00:16:24,590 --> 00:16:22,800 can't care about each other the whole 363 00:16:25,970 --> 00:16:24,600 works is about destroying human 364 00:16:28,310 --> 00:16:25,980 connection 365 00:16:30,650 --> 00:16:28,320 I think very early on in the book you 366 00:16:32,930 --> 00:16:30,660 mentioned I thought from a medical 367 00:16:35,870 --> 00:16:32,940 perspective something that I didn't know 368 00:16:39,069 --> 00:16:35,880 but you said it's well understood that 369 00:16:44,150 --> 00:16:39,079 the way that we deal with a pandemic is 370 00:16:46,850 --> 00:16:44,160 kind of cooperation of hope uh moving 371 00:16:48,530 --> 00:16:46,860 forward and then when we contrast that 372 00:16:51,170 --> 00:16:48,540 with the way that they've handled the 373 00:16:53,210 --> 00:16:51,180 pandemic it's been exactly the opposite 374 00:16:55,970 --> 00:16:53,220 of that which makes you wonder why was 375 00:16:57,650 --> 00:16:55,980 it about fear just ramping up the fear 376 00:16:59,870 --> 00:16:57,660 from the beginning why was it about 377 00:17:01,670 --> 00:16:59,880 isolation why was it about all these 378 00:17:04,010 --> 00:17:01,680 other things so that's why I really 379 00:17:07,130 --> 00:17:04,020 appreciate that you're approaching this 380 00:17:09,529 --> 00:17:07,140 from a spiritual perspective and I'm not 381 00:17:12,470 --> 00:17:09,539 a religious person but I think that 382 00:17:13,429 --> 00:17:12,480 fundamental to this is an understanding 383 00:17:17,270 --> 00:17:13,439 that 384 00:17:19,549 --> 00:17:17,280 we are more we are more than biological 385 00:17:23,029 --> 00:17:19,559 robots and that's what you've been 386 00:17:25,490 --> 00:17:23,039 really essentially battling with your 387 00:17:27,650 --> 00:17:25,500 whole life in terms of 388 00:17:29,270 --> 00:17:27,660 so like in this video I just played one 389 00:17:33,289 --> 00:17:29,280 of the things I thought was just so 390 00:17:36,950 --> 00:17:33,299 beautiful but in a subtle way you said 391 00:17:38,150 --> 00:17:36,960 I embrace someone who comes to me who is 392 00:17:39,770 --> 00:17:38,160 suicidal 393 00:17:42,529 --> 00:17:39,780 because they shows that they have 394 00:17:44,750 --> 00:17:42,539 feeling they have passion they have a 395 00:17:46,610 --> 00:17:44,760 vision for how their life could be what 396 00:17:48,350 --> 00:17:46,620 disturbs me you're saying is when 397 00:17:49,789 --> 00:17:48,360 someone comes in their devoid of 398 00:17:52,370 --> 00:17:49,799 feelings they don't have any feelings 399 00:17:54,650 --> 00:17:52,380 and then when we play that back into the 400 00:17:57,710 --> 00:17:54,660 situation that we're in and we look into 401 00:17:59,990 --> 00:17:57,720 those Gates and eyes and we go oh my God 402 00:18:02,150 --> 00:18:00,000 I feel for this person he's someone who 403 00:18:04,070 --> 00:18:02,160 who has somehow lost his soul he doesn't 404 00:18:06,950 --> 00:18:04,080 in some way he doesn't have feelings we 405 00:18:09,049 --> 00:18:06,960 can just we just see it in these people 406 00:18:11,690 --> 00:18:09,059 and so many of these people and I wonder 407 00:18:14,029 --> 00:18:11,700 if we don't have to start being more 408 00:18:16,730 --> 00:18:14,039 honest about talking about it at that 409 00:18:18,890 --> 00:18:16,740 level if that isn't really the root 410 00:18:21,590 --> 00:18:18,900 cause of it I think your work tells us 411 00:18:23,950 --> 00:18:21,600 your whole career tells us that that is 412 00:18:26,090 --> 00:18:23,960 what it's really all about 413 00:18:28,190 --> 00:18:26,100 well that's very interesting and 414 00:18:30,830 --> 00:18:28,200 exciting I uh because you're actually 415 00:18:32,690 --> 00:18:30,840 giving me a reorientation to really what 416 00:18:35,330 --> 00:18:32,700 the fundamentals are 417 00:18:37,010 --> 00:18:35,340 because they want us to completely lose 418 00:18:38,810 --> 00:18:37,020 track of that 419 00:18:40,909 --> 00:18:38,820 um and they do not believe in it they 420 00:18:43,190 --> 00:18:40,919 don't think it exists they don't have a 421 00:18:45,289 --> 00:18:43,200 personal experience of what you and I 422 00:18:47,990 --> 00:18:45,299 are talking about now sounds to them 423 00:18:50,450 --> 00:18:48,000 like gibberish the 424 00:18:53,750 --> 00:18:50,460 um interesting thing that I found I I'm 425 00:18:56,750 --> 00:18:53,760 Jewish and my wife is Christian 426 00:18:58,669 --> 00:18:56,760 um we very much believe in a uh in a 427 00:19:01,669 --> 00:18:58,679 loving God 428 00:19:04,010 --> 00:19:01,679 um but neither of us is uh deeply 429 00:19:06,590 --> 00:19:04,020 involved in religion per se we're 430 00:19:09,409 --> 00:19:06,600 involved in in the this spiritual level 431 00:19:13,549 --> 00:19:09,419 of how God presents to us 432 00:19:16,010 --> 00:19:13,559 and um almost everybody who is is 433 00:19:18,529 --> 00:19:16,020 risking their careers and their lives in 434 00:19:20,990 --> 00:19:18,539 this movement and the vast majority not 435 00:19:23,570 --> 00:19:21,000 everybody but almost everybody we meet 436 00:19:27,890 --> 00:19:23,580 are are Christians and they're very 437 00:19:29,750 --> 00:19:27,900 sincere American Christians they they're 438 00:19:33,049 --> 00:19:29,760 generous they're caring they believe 439 00:19:34,490 --> 00:19:33,059 that Jesus was right when when he talked 440 00:19:36,710 --> 00:19:34,500 about we should love one another and 441 00:19:37,549 --> 00:19:36,720 love God they 442 00:19:39,409 --> 00:19:37,559 um 443 00:19:41,450 --> 00:19:39,419 they know that what they're doing is 444 00:19:44,090 --> 00:19:41,460 something they have to do on a spiritual 445 00:19:47,270 --> 00:19:44,100 level and this has been very striking to 446 00:19:49,430 --> 00:19:47,280 us we've never been in that group before 447 00:19:51,950 --> 00:19:49,440 because when I was uh 448 00:19:54,830 --> 00:19:51,960 um my whole life really working on the 449 00:19:57,529 --> 00:19:54,840 psychiatric issues it was mostly with 450 00:19:59,930 --> 00:19:57,539 people who don't share a lot of 451 00:20:02,049 --> 00:19:59,940 spirituality most of them were hurt by 452 00:20:05,510 --> 00:20:02,059 Psychiatry and psychology 453 00:20:07,669 --> 00:20:05,520 precisely because they didn't have a 454 00:20:09,649 --> 00:20:07,679 good grasp of this and they they were 455 00:20:13,610 --> 00:20:09,659 still struggling with it some of them 456 00:20:17,810 --> 00:20:13,620 are psychologists and and therapists but 457 00:20:20,570 --> 00:20:17,820 most of them were not committed to a 458 00:20:24,289 --> 00:20:20,580 life of doing what they thought uh God 459 00:20:25,130 --> 00:20:24,299 or goodness or rightness expected of 460 00:20:30,950 --> 00:20:25,140 them 461 00:20:33,110 --> 00:20:30,960 and uh this is uh this marks these 462 00:20:36,470 --> 00:20:33,120 people as the opposite of those who are 463 00:20:38,750 --> 00:20:36,480 trying to control us subdue us keep us 464 00:20:41,450 --> 00:20:38,760 from thinking we we have an 465 00:20:43,370 --> 00:20:41,460 individuality that matters 466 00:20:46,430 --> 00:20:43,380 and to those of you out there who are 467 00:20:49,549 --> 00:20:46,440 feeling apathetic and and down I we got 468 00:20:50,830 --> 00:20:49,559 an interesting call from a friend of 469 00:20:53,570 --> 00:20:50,840 ours 470 00:20:55,850 --> 00:20:53,580 so closely fits with this house it was 471 00:20:59,210 --> 00:20:55,860 about the apathy she said you know I'm 472 00:21:01,549 --> 00:20:59,220 seeing these young people and 473 00:21:04,669 --> 00:21:01,559 um they're they just have apathy about 474 00:21:07,149 --> 00:21:04,679 life now young adults they don't have 475 00:21:11,630 --> 00:21:07,159 enthusiasm they don't have excitement 476 00:21:14,330 --> 00:21:11,640 and that is uh uh precisely what they 477 00:21:16,970 --> 00:21:14,340 want from us they want us to be as some 478 00:21:18,529 --> 00:21:16,980 people who call it sheeple not people 479 00:21:22,070 --> 00:21:18,539 but people 480 00:21:23,870 --> 00:21:22,080 sheep and we have to know that and say 481 00:21:25,430 --> 00:21:23,880 no we're going to have energy we're 482 00:21:26,930 --> 00:21:25,440 going to have life we're going to love 483 00:21:29,510 --> 00:21:26,940 each other we're going to band together 484 00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:29,520 we're going to stand up for freedom and 485 00:21:34,190 --> 00:21:32,400 for basic spiritual quality and nature 486 00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:34,200 of human beings 487 00:21:40,190 --> 00:21:37,200 Dr Bergen I wonder since you do have 488 00:21:41,570 --> 00:21:40,200 this long history in working with people 489 00:21:43,370 --> 00:21:41,580 and one of the things you've said in 490 00:21:45,950 --> 00:21:43,380 that video that we didn't get to that I 491 00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:45,960 think is quite impressive is you've 492 00:21:51,049 --> 00:21:48,000 spent your whole life 493 00:21:53,149 --> 00:21:51,059 in in therapy with people working with 494 00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:53,159 people having people come in and talk to 495 00:21:58,130 --> 00:21:55,440 them and comfort them and be a part of 496 00:22:00,230 --> 00:21:58,140 their life bring in their family you're 497 00:22:03,950 --> 00:22:00,240 a people helper on that kind of personal 498 00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:03,960 level empathetic level but I'm sure 499 00:22:08,750 --> 00:22:06,000 you've also run into people in your 500 00:22:12,529 --> 00:22:08,760 practice who have these issues with 501 00:22:14,810 --> 00:22:12,539 control have these issues with dominance 502 00:22:17,210 --> 00:22:14,820 how do you understand them from that 503 00:22:18,590 --> 00:22:17,220 deeper level of having worked with so 504 00:22:20,810 --> 00:22:18,600 many thousands and thousands of people 505 00:22:23,210 --> 00:22:20,820 through the years well what's going on 506 00:22:25,370 --> 00:22:23,220 with them 507 00:22:27,470 --> 00:22:25,380 well I think to some extent it's beyond 508 00:22:30,110 --> 00:22:27,480 our understanding I mean I I just want 509 00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:30,120 to start with that I think evil 510 00:22:35,930 --> 00:22:33,360 a bad intention is beyond our 511 00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:35,940 understanding to a great extent I think 512 00:22:41,870 --> 00:22:39,360 it's almost another world phenomena 513 00:22:44,690 --> 00:22:41,880 um it isn't just simply a matter of 514 00:22:48,169 --> 00:22:44,700 there being badly injured in childhood 515 00:22:50,450 --> 00:22:48,179 it is not just simply a matter of that I 516 00:22:54,590 --> 00:22:50,460 have worked with uh some of the most 517 00:22:56,690 --> 00:22:54,600 injured people imaginable and who as 518 00:22:59,690 --> 00:22:56,700 little children while they were being 519 00:23:01,610 --> 00:22:59,700 abused or tortured as two three 520 00:23:04,130 --> 00:23:01,620 four-year-olds I mean literally that 521 00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:04,140 said to themselves I will never be this 522 00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:06,000 way when I grow up 523 00:23:12,289 --> 00:23:09,600 and so I don't think it's I don't think 524 00:23:13,310 --> 00:23:12,299 it's reducible to 525 00:23:16,850 --> 00:23:13,320 um 526 00:23:19,130 --> 00:23:16,860 uh just that you know let's feel sorry 527 00:23:21,169 --> 00:23:19,140 for folks who are who are violent I 528 00:23:23,570 --> 00:23:21,179 think they make wrong decisions early on 529 00:23:26,750 --> 00:23:23,580 and I can't explain it so in that sense 530 00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:26,760 it's unknowable the second thing is um I 531 00:23:31,610 --> 00:23:29,520 I mostly see these people in my medical 532 00:23:35,029 --> 00:23:31,620 work I've been involved in over a 533 00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:35,039 hundred trials uh often involving people 534 00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:37,440 who have committed violent crimes while 535 00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:39,360 under the influence of drugs but also 536 00:23:42,529 --> 00:23:40,799 against the drug companies a whole 537 00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:42,539 variety of things 538 00:23:46,669 --> 00:23:44,880 and that that's mostly where I get to 539 00:23:48,950 --> 00:23:46,679 see these people and it's hard to it's 540 00:23:51,110 --> 00:23:48,960 hard to have people open up when you're 541 00:23:53,690 --> 00:23:51,120 you're kind of trying to help them not 542 00:23:57,049 --> 00:23:53,700 be in trouble with the law 543 00:23:59,029 --> 00:23:57,059 but I'll give you a few simple examples 544 00:24:01,190 --> 00:23:59,039 um of how I deal with it 545 00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:01,200 and how I try to help people with it one 546 00:24:05,690 --> 00:24:03,360 example I've not never put this quite 547 00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:05,700 together to will be a say a 548 00:24:11,630 --> 00:24:08,640 five-year-old and another say a 50 year 549 00:24:13,610 --> 00:24:11,640 old so a five five-year-old boy comes in 550 00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:13,620 to me he's put in by his mother and his 551 00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:16,080 father I do not try to see 552 00:24:20,210 --> 00:24:17,760 five-year-olds alone I want to help 553 00:24:22,909 --> 00:24:20,220 their mother and father and big sister 554 00:24:25,130 --> 00:24:22,919 or brother help them 555 00:24:26,750 --> 00:24:25,140 um I believe that that whenever a 556 00:24:28,669 --> 00:24:26,760 person's young if you can help change 557 00:24:31,490 --> 00:24:28,679 the family around them that does help 558 00:24:35,269 --> 00:24:31,500 them hugely and the little boy comes in 559 00:24:37,870 --> 00:24:35,279 and the parents say and do yesterday he 560 00:24:41,570 --> 00:24:37,880 hit his little sister 561 00:24:44,450 --> 00:24:41,580 and um I approach him as like a being 562 00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:44,460 you know person and I say come on over 563 00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:47,520 here and sit on the stool I mean let me 564 00:24:52,370 --> 00:24:50,159 tell you something I I said I said you 565 00:24:55,310 --> 00:24:52,380 know I'll tell you one of the secrets 566 00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:55,320 for your life and this is five-year-old 567 00:25:02,450 --> 00:24:59,039 when you go up your sister could be your 568 00:25:05,630 --> 00:25:02,460 best and most thorough friend 569 00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:05,640 nothing that a young girl and a woman 570 00:25:10,669 --> 00:25:08,400 appreciates more than a big brother 571 00:25:13,370 --> 00:25:10,679 who's there to back him up 572 00:25:16,730 --> 00:25:13,380 because men have a special strength for 573 00:25:18,409 --> 00:25:16,740 women and you must use that strength to 574 00:25:19,390 --> 00:25:18,419 protect your sister let me see your 575 00:25:26,510 --> 00:25:19,400 muscles 576 00:25:28,970 --> 00:25:26,520 don't use that to hit your little sister 577 00:25:31,549 --> 00:25:28,980 you used to protect her 578 00:25:33,470 --> 00:25:31,559 and and you'll just find that you grow 579 00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:33,480 up with the best automatic best friend 580 00:25:38,750 --> 00:25:36,720 by being a good big brother and 581 00:25:40,850 --> 00:25:38,760 um children will change almost overnight 582 00:25:43,130 --> 00:25:40,860 when they get providing they don't then 583 00:25:46,130 --> 00:25:43,140 see their parents fighting or their dad 584 00:25:48,169 --> 00:25:46,140 hits them or something else completely 585 00:25:51,169 --> 00:25:48,179 reverses the process which then has to 586 00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:51,179 be worked with and the I'll give you now 587 00:25:57,049 --> 00:25:54,000 go to an example of a 50 year old let's 588 00:25:59,810 --> 00:25:57,059 say in therapy and come in and usually 589 00:26:01,909 --> 00:25:59,820 these people do not volunteer to come to 590 00:26:03,890 --> 00:26:01,919 therapy so you don't get to see them as 591 00:26:05,570 --> 00:26:03,900 the primary patient the people who come 592 00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:05,580 to therapy are the people who are trying 593 00:26:11,630 --> 00:26:08,159 really hard to do good and to be the 594 00:26:14,450 --> 00:26:11,640 right not to not to put their pain on 595 00:26:16,190 --> 00:26:14,460 others my definition of evil that's what 596 00:26:18,909 --> 00:26:16,200 I have is that's inflicting your own 597 00:26:21,470 --> 00:26:18,919 pain on somebody else these are not 598 00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:21,480 people who who are like that don't 599 00:26:25,070 --> 00:26:23,760 generally come much for therapy but they 600 00:26:27,830 --> 00:26:25,080 bring in their husbands so they're 601 00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:27,840 sitting together and the wife is saying 602 00:26:31,909 --> 00:26:29,520 something and I see the husbands right 603 00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:31,919 here in twitch and I see her quiet down 604 00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:34,799 and I look at them I say you hit your 605 00:26:41,390 --> 00:26:37,440 wife and I I don't do with rage I do it 606 00:26:44,450 --> 00:26:41,400 with like whoa that's otherworldly 607 00:26:46,909 --> 00:26:44,460 and it seems like that to me that a man 608 00:26:49,090 --> 00:26:46,919 would hit his own hit a woman what are 609 00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:49,100 you doing God's sakes 610 00:26:54,590 --> 00:26:51,600 where's that from 611 00:26:56,450 --> 00:26:54,600 um and at first he'll deny it and she'll 612 00:27:00,169 --> 00:26:56,460 say and she'll try to interrupt I see no 613 00:27:02,390 --> 00:27:00,179 no no I really want to be honest here so 614 00:27:05,830 --> 00:27:02,400 um did you hit your wife last night is 615 00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:05,840 that what this is about I don't remember 616 00:27:10,730 --> 00:27:07,919 get something like that 617 00:27:12,110 --> 00:27:10,740 and I I'll sit I put it to the man I'll 618 00:27:16,490 --> 00:27:12,120 say look 619 00:27:20,330 --> 00:27:18,769 um I hope your wife will report you to 620 00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:20,340 the police 621 00:27:25,250 --> 00:27:23,760 the next time you ever hit her again 622 00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:25,260 and 623 00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:27,600 um I think that you need to decide to 624 00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:29,760 give it up and that's really good news 625 00:27:33,950 --> 00:27:31,919 so I'm giving you an order 626 00:27:36,590 --> 00:27:33,960 that's really the best one you've ever 627 00:27:38,090 --> 00:27:36,600 had always do something other than hurt 628 00:27:40,610 --> 00:27:38,100 your wife 629 00:27:42,830 --> 00:27:40,620 when you're mad at her 630 00:27:45,230 --> 00:27:42,840 and I'm going to teach you something 631 00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:45,240 else which is the great news if you stop 632 00:27:50,210 --> 00:27:48,000 that and become a tender loving giant 633 00:27:52,610 --> 00:27:50,220 you're going to get more affection than 634 00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:52,620 you ever knew was possible in the face 635 00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:53,760 of the Earth 636 00:27:57,289 --> 00:27:55,440 because I can tell you wouldn't be 637 00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:57,299 hitting your wife if you have a loving 638 00:28:01,730 --> 00:27:59,520 mom and then we'll get to that later 639 00:28:03,289 --> 00:28:01,740 believe me it's true and you did if you 640 00:28:05,330 --> 00:28:03,299 had a really loving mom taking care of 641 00:28:07,130 --> 00:28:05,340 you for the first 18 years of your life 642 00:28:09,169 --> 00:28:07,140 you're not going to hit women for God's 643 00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:09,179 sakes 644 00:28:11,690 --> 00:28:11,039 I mean unless your father was hitting 645 00:28:19,970 --> 00:28:11,700 her 646 00:28:22,610 --> 00:28:19,980 well let's get pissed being dead then 647 00:28:24,350 --> 00:28:22,620 and let's let's love your wife and I'll 648 00:28:27,049 --> 00:28:24,360 talk to him about the value of it and 649 00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:27,059 the importance but the absolute moral 650 00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:30,000 forbidness of hitting and it's a it is 651 00:28:34,850 --> 00:28:32,640 surprising that people will listen to 652 00:28:36,830 --> 00:28:34,860 this but they are people who at least 653 00:28:39,649 --> 00:28:36,840 are accompanying their wife to their 654 00:28:42,049 --> 00:28:39,659 faith you know so it's a very special 655 00:28:44,810 --> 00:28:42,059 circumstance and it depends more on 656 00:28:46,610 --> 00:28:44,820 these people who come than than a magic 657 00:28:49,490 --> 00:28:46,620 with the therapist but you at least have 658 00:28:51,230 --> 00:28:49,500 to identify these people spiritually no 659 00:28:54,350 --> 00:28:51,240 matter how young they are 660 00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:54,360 and uh and talk to them directly about 661 00:28:57,950 --> 00:28:56,159 about what they're doing and the right 662 00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:57,960 and wrong a bit and what they can expect 663 00:29:02,149 --> 00:29:00,000 if they become loving 664 00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:02,159 because if you're five or 50 if you 665 00:29:07,130 --> 00:29:04,799 become more loving if you can get more 666 00:29:10,130 --> 00:29:07,140 of that out to become more source of 667 00:29:13,010 --> 00:29:10,140 Love The Shining Light Of Love the more 668 00:29:14,990 --> 00:29:13,020 you do that the more that you will have 669 00:29:16,370 --> 00:29:15,000 happiness around you the more you'll 670 00:29:18,730 --> 00:29:16,380 help people 671 00:29:23,149 --> 00:29:18,740 and if you're going to spend your life 672 00:29:25,490 --> 00:29:23,159 in this world battling as as said 673 00:29:27,649 --> 00:29:25,500 battling I wish I certainly have done 674 00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:27,659 you don't want to be angry and you don't 675 00:29:33,950 --> 00:29:29,760 want to be really battling you you you 676 00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:33,960 want to be there to speak what you are 677 00:29:38,210 --> 00:29:35,760 certain is the truth about how people 678 00:29:40,730 --> 00:29:38,220 need to relate to each other but the 679 00:29:42,409 --> 00:29:40,740 folks like fauci and and I do name names 680 00:29:43,789 --> 00:29:42,419 because I want people to know I'm 681 00:29:46,370 --> 00:29:43,799 actually going to draw the full picture 682 00:29:48,409 --> 00:29:46,380 for them there are people out there who 683 00:29:50,029 --> 00:29:48,419 are not loving don't have a faintest 684 00:29:52,370 --> 00:29:50,039 idea what it's about 685 00:29:54,470 --> 00:29:52,380 and if they are loving to their wife or 686 00:29:56,450 --> 00:29:54,480 children they have cut themselves off 687 00:29:57,409 --> 00:29:56,460 from the people that they control and 688 00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:57,419 torment 689 00:30:02,269 --> 00:30:00,240 that's quite beautiful and profound I 690 00:30:04,490 --> 00:30:02,279 think I'm going to listen to that is 691 00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:04,500 like gosh I want to talk to this guy 692 00:30:10,130 --> 00:30:06,960 when I have trouble because it's so 693 00:30:12,049 --> 00:30:10,140 beautiful and it's so so artistic almost 694 00:30:14,389 --> 00:30:12,059 in the way that that you manage those 695 00:30:16,370 --> 00:30:14,399 situations let's extend that one step 696 00:30:20,210 --> 00:30:16,380 further because you set a couple things 697 00:30:22,250 --> 00:30:20,220 in there that again I think and I think 698 00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:22,260 you're admitting that you think this too 699 00:30:25,070 --> 00:30:24,240 even though you don't talk about it very 700 00:30:27,649 --> 00:30:25,080 much 701 00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:27,659 is really Central at the core of this 702 00:30:32,810 --> 00:30:29,760 very very important book that we're 703 00:30:36,649 --> 00:30:32,820 talking about today covid-19 and the 704 00:30:40,250 --> 00:30:36,659 global Predators it is as we read the 705 00:30:42,110 --> 00:30:40,260 quote from John F Kennedy Jr and there's 706 00:30:45,289 --> 00:30:42,120 many other blurbs that you'll see on 707 00:30:47,930 --> 00:30:45,299 here just fantastic it's there's Ginger 708 00:30:52,490 --> 00:30:47,940 that's my wife Ginger passing by 709 00:30:55,250 --> 00:30:52,500 co-author of my life and the book the 710 00:30:57,230 --> 00:30:55,260 book has been very successful very well 711 00:30:59,509 --> 00:30:57,240 received would have a hundred thousand 712 00:31:02,149 --> 00:30:59,519 copies that you've sold basically 713 00:31:05,149 --> 00:31:02,159 without any any promotion it's not like 714 00:31:07,970 --> 00:31:05,159 uh anyone in the mainstream is reviewing 715 00:31:10,190 --> 00:31:07,980 this book even though they should be so 716 00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:10,200 it's basically your effort on its own 717 00:31:15,710 --> 00:31:12,960 but what I was getting to that I want to 718 00:31:17,889 --> 00:31:15,720 try and close the loop on is you said a 719 00:31:20,690 --> 00:31:17,899 couple interesting things one in that 720 00:31:22,669 --> 00:31:20,700 ultimately it's hard for you to 721 00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:22,679 understand evil 722 00:31:28,669 --> 00:31:26,159 in purely in this realm in this material 723 00:31:30,590 --> 00:31:28,679 realm and this gee I got to make more 724 00:31:32,029 --> 00:31:30,600 money gee I want to get ahead we 725 00:31:34,430 --> 00:31:32,039 certainly understand that that's part of 726 00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:34,440 it but there does seem to be If we're 727 00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:37,200 honest and otherworldly part of that and 728 00:31:40,370 --> 00:31:38,880 I don't know I can't put my hands on I 729 00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:40,380 don't know what it is I'm again I'm not 730 00:31:44,350 --> 00:31:41,760 religious I don't have that orientation 731 00:31:47,330 --> 00:31:44,360 but it does seem to extend beyond that 732 00:31:51,049 --> 00:31:47,340 from your experience 733 00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:51,059 what is that all about you said that you 734 00:31:54,830 --> 00:31:53,279 can't really help those people you don't 735 00:31:57,950 --> 00:31:54,840 reach those people those people don't 736 00:31:59,630 --> 00:31:57,960 come in what is that all about and then 737 00:32:02,450 --> 00:31:59,640 if you can't extend that one step 738 00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:02,460 further because when you move into the 739 00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:05,279 domain of dealing with institutions like 740 00:32:10,610 --> 00:32:07,919 you've done uh medical institutions 741 00:32:12,230 --> 00:32:10,620 corporations uh where the evil gets 742 00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:12,240 concentrated and that's what this book 743 00:32:18,889 --> 00:32:15,840 is about global Predators so how do you 744 00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:18,899 as a therapist who has a pretty good 745 00:32:24,950 --> 00:32:21,840 handle on human nature how do you 746 00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:24,960 understand that evil and then how that 747 00:32:28,549 --> 00:32:27,120 evil becomes institutionalized what do 748 00:32:30,289 --> 00:32:28,559 we think is going on there what's your 749 00:32:32,029 --> 00:32:30,299 best guess 750 00:32:34,610 --> 00:32:32,039 well this is very interesting by the way 751 00:32:36,649 --> 00:32:34,620 very few people who interview me uh 752 00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:36,659 raise these kinds of issues so this is 753 00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:38,640 actually kind of a little exploratory 754 00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:39,840 for me too 755 00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:42,480 your audience should know how rare it is 756 00:32:48,830 --> 00:32:45,360 to to be interviewed by somebody who 757 00:32:51,169 --> 00:32:48,840 wants to talk on this particular level 758 00:32:53,330 --> 00:32:51,179 um and I think it is the I mean 759 00:32:55,310 --> 00:32:53,340 ultimately it is the level that things 760 00:32:57,909 --> 00:32:55,320 are about 761 00:33:01,549 --> 00:32:57,919 um I think from just a simple 762 00:33:04,370 --> 00:33:01,559 evolutionary viewpoint 763 00:33:10,570 --> 00:33:07,430 we developed over several million years 764 00:33:14,210 --> 00:33:10,580 from being little bike Peds and trees 765 00:33:16,909 --> 00:33:14,220 clinging together uh while the the 766 00:33:18,649 --> 00:33:16,919 Tigers you know wandered below maybe and 767 00:33:21,289 --> 00:33:18,659 we threw coconuts at them occasionally 768 00:33:22,669 --> 00:33:21,299 if they tried to climb the tree we've 769 00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:22,679 evolved 770 00:33:28,610 --> 00:33:25,679 in essentially that model of a 771 00:33:32,990 --> 00:33:28,620 close-knit extended family 772 00:33:34,610 --> 00:33:33,000 it is not until I'm very mere 10 000 773 00:33:37,549 --> 00:33:34,620 years ago in the beginning it's a little 774 00:33:39,409 --> 00:33:37,559 longer than that but tent is that 775 00:33:41,690 --> 00:33:39,419 usually what anthropologists 776 00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:41,700 archaeologists and so on say 10 000 777 00:33:47,210 --> 00:33:45,120 years ago we did not live in large 778 00:33:50,389 --> 00:33:47,220 groups 779 00:33:52,730 --> 00:33:50,399 in the moment we begin to live in large 780 00:33:55,370 --> 00:33:52,740 groups and small cities which substance 781 00:33:58,190 --> 00:33:55,380 rather rapidly around eight or nine 782 00:34:01,909 --> 00:33:58,200 thousand years ago very short time ago 783 00:34:03,970 --> 00:34:01,919 uh we we are already building walled 784 00:34:08,750 --> 00:34:03,980 cities we're already 785 00:34:11,389 --> 00:34:08,760 having signs of warfare outright Warfare 786 00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:11,399 and even earlier than that but it 787 00:34:15,589 --> 00:34:13,200 doesn't go back a lot more we do it's 788 00:34:19,069 --> 00:34:15,599 just hard to track we don't find mass 789 00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:19,079 murders uh before living in cities and 790 00:34:24,109 --> 00:34:21,599 states except on rare occasions is some 791 00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:24,119 evidence that hunter-gatherers might 792 00:34:29,389 --> 00:34:27,119 attack another band and Bash their heads 793 00:34:31,369 --> 00:34:29,399 in and things like that so but it's hard 794 00:34:32,990 --> 00:34:31,379 to dig all that literally up out of the 795 00:34:36,649 --> 00:34:33,000 earth and figure it out 796 00:34:38,149 --> 00:34:36,659 I think we were essentially meant to be 797 00:34:40,909 --> 00:34:38,159 in small groups I don't think there's 798 00:34:46,010 --> 00:34:40,919 any question about it and the larger our 799 00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:46,020 group gets the more divorced we get from 800 00:34:52,909 --> 00:34:49,679 the rest of the people around us 801 00:34:54,290 --> 00:34:52,919 and yet we're in very close proximity to 802 00:34:57,050 --> 00:34:54,300 them 803 00:34:59,349 --> 00:34:57,060 and I think it also tends to fracture 804 00:35:02,750 --> 00:34:59,359 our relationships with each other 805 00:35:05,690 --> 00:35:02,760 because you're not just dealing all day 806 00:35:08,210 --> 00:35:05,700 long with your parents your grandparents 807 00:35:10,670 --> 00:35:08,220 your mother's best friend whoever else 808 00:35:12,349 --> 00:35:10,680 is in this group you're dealing with 809 00:35:15,050 --> 00:35:12,359 teachers you're dealing with police 810 00:35:16,970 --> 00:35:15,060 you're dealing with the school 811 00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:16,980 counselors and nowadays you may be 812 00:35:21,890 --> 00:35:18,480 getting the worst garbage in the world 813 00:35:25,490 --> 00:35:21,900 have being dumped on you in in school as 814 00:35:28,130 --> 00:35:25,500 a kindergartner and on up I think we 815 00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:28,140 just get more divorced from people 816 00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:31,200 and and that basic concept of the mother 817 00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:33,599 and child of whoever is the primary 818 00:35:37,609 --> 00:35:35,760 caretaker and child are looking in the 819 00:35:40,609 --> 00:35:37,619 eyes that touching 820 00:35:42,890 --> 00:35:40,619 that being like a Oneness of being made 821 00:35:44,990 --> 00:35:42,900 of each other that is the reality of 822 00:35:48,290 --> 00:35:45,000 early life it literally made of each 823 00:35:51,170 --> 00:35:48,300 other with mother's milk preferably with 824 00:35:53,690 --> 00:35:51,180 the food brought To Us by our parents by 825 00:35:57,170 --> 00:35:53,700 our brain grows in response to our 826 00:35:59,089 --> 00:35:57,180 parents and our nurturers brain doubles 827 00:36:02,390 --> 00:35:59,099 in size in the first year and it's all 828 00:36:04,730 --> 00:36:02,400 about socialization that somehow all 829 00:36:06,829 --> 00:36:04,740 that stuff 830 00:36:09,410 --> 00:36:06,839 um doesn't make it for many many people 831 00:36:12,109 --> 00:36:09,420 and then the higher up they get in any 832 00:36:15,109 --> 00:36:12,119 organization 833 00:36:19,010 --> 00:36:15,119 um the more remote they are and also who 834 00:36:21,430 --> 00:36:19,020 gets higher up in an organization 835 00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:25,630 often pretty good people do build 836 00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:28,320 organizations you read about I suspect 837 00:36:33,290 --> 00:36:31,200 the Walton family and the senior Waltons 838 00:36:35,329 --> 00:36:33,300 are really good people but that's not 839 00:36:38,390 --> 00:36:35,339 who runs their billions of dollars 840 00:36:41,210 --> 00:36:38,400 anymore it's uh CEOs 841 00:36:43,310 --> 00:36:41,220 that run run it it's people who got to 842 00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:43,320 the top they didn't make 843 00:36:48,770 --> 00:36:46,320 what they built they got to the top 844 00:36:51,170 --> 00:36:48,780 and people who get to the top get there 845 00:36:53,750 --> 00:36:51,180 because of particular qualities and it 846 00:36:56,990 --> 00:36:53,760 is not generally love 847 00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:57,000 I mean the story of Jesus is that uh you 848 00:37:02,690 --> 00:37:00,720 know if you if you really you know get a 849 00:37:05,270 --> 00:37:02,700 lot of attention bringing love into the 850 00:37:07,970 --> 00:37:05,280 world they crucify you it's a 851 00:37:11,690 --> 00:37:07,980 it's real that the whether it's a 852 00:37:14,450 --> 00:37:11,700 metaphor or actually happen uh certainly 853 00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:14,460 Jesus happened and the sayings of him or 854 00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:16,320 recorded in various Ways by various 855 00:37:19,849 --> 00:37:18,000 people 856 00:37:21,829 --> 00:37:19,859 um 857 00:37:24,530 --> 00:37:21,839 those are not the people that get to the 858 00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:24,540 top it's it's a Pontius Pilate that gets 859 00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:27,359 to the top it's the Pharisees who get to 860 00:37:31,550 --> 00:37:29,520 the top so I think that that there's 861 00:37:34,190 --> 00:37:31,560 just a lot of different things that go 862 00:37:35,530 --> 00:37:34,200 into it being the alienation of people 863 00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:35,540 in power 864 00:37:40,970 --> 00:37:38,880 and I mean it's just a reality I mean 865 00:37:43,550 --> 00:37:40,980 and it hasn't I want to just one it has 866 00:37:45,589 --> 00:37:43,560 not gotten better it's gotten worse so 867 00:37:48,410 --> 00:37:45,599 as we've gotten more power more 868 00:37:50,270 --> 00:37:48,420 communication ability 869 00:37:52,430 --> 00:37:50,280 um the Chinese Communists started with 870 00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:52,440 MAO have killed probably a hundred 871 00:37:57,530 --> 00:37:54,800 million Chinese so their own people 872 00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:57,540 Hitler didn't just kill Jews and Gypsies 873 00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:00,480 and homosexuals it killed lots of 874 00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:03,359 Germans and he killed at least 20 or 30 875 00:38:06,849 --> 00:38:05,520 million people outside of the 876 00:38:09,950 --> 00:38:06,859 battlefield 877 00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:09,960 Stalin was very fond of murdering people 878 00:38:15,410 --> 00:38:12,000 intentionally killing people up to maybe 879 00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:15,420 50 million of his own people so there's 880 00:38:20,329 --> 00:38:18,480 this lies inside human beings it's a 881 00:38:22,430 --> 00:38:20,339 it's there 882 00:38:24,410 --> 00:38:22,440 you know but the other thing that lies 883 00:38:29,329 --> 00:38:24,420 inside of human beings and we've touched 884 00:38:31,370 --> 00:38:29,339 on it is Hope is this desire to connect 885 00:38:34,609 --> 00:38:31,380 you know I was reading an interview you 886 00:38:37,250 --> 00:38:34,619 gave you have so many uh really amazing 887 00:38:38,690 --> 00:38:37,260 books that you've read that there are so 888 00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:38,700 many amazing books that you've written 889 00:38:42,530 --> 00:38:41,040 and I think people who are interested in 890 00:38:44,329 --> 00:38:42,540 any of these topics we're talking about 891 00:38:46,910 --> 00:38:44,339 in any of these topics in terms of 892 00:38:49,010 --> 00:38:46,920 mental health reform over the years if 893 00:38:51,230 --> 00:38:49,020 we've perked your interest at all please 894 00:38:53,150 --> 00:38:51,240 go and read these books but one was an 895 00:38:54,650 --> 00:38:53,160 excerpt from a book and it was very 896 00:38:56,089 --> 00:38:54,660 early on and I wonder if you could tell 897 00:38:59,089 --> 00:38:56,099 this story 898 00:39:01,010 --> 00:38:59,099 as I recall you were early in your 899 00:39:03,710 --> 00:39:01,020 career you went to a mental health 900 00:39:06,410 --> 00:39:03,720 hospital in New York and you're a very 901 00:39:09,770 --> 00:39:06,420 young man and you're had that figure 902 00:39:12,010 --> 00:39:09,780 that desire to do good and what you saw 903 00:39:14,329 --> 00:39:12,020 was just deplorable I mean it was just 904 00:39:17,690 --> 00:39:14,339 inhuman at a level that's hard to 905 00:39:21,470 --> 00:39:17,700 comprehend but at the same time I wonder 906 00:39:24,170 --> 00:39:21,480 what made it made you see hope in that 907 00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:24,180 situation because that is a hope that as 908 00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:26,640 you described it sounded like a hopeless 909 00:39:31,069 --> 00:39:28,800 situation like a lot of people feel 910 00:39:33,730 --> 00:39:31,079 about the situation we're in now and the 911 00:39:36,050 --> 00:39:33,740 great reset and these forces that seem 912 00:39:38,030 --> 00:39:36,060 insurmountable how could we ever do 913 00:39:40,970 --> 00:39:38,040 anything how could we ever be anything 914 00:39:43,730 --> 00:39:40,980 other than apathetic but you weren't 915 00:39:46,130 --> 00:39:43,740 apathetic you were in face to face with 916 00:39:48,050 --> 00:39:46,140 this and you weren't apathetic and you 917 00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:48,060 moved forward tell can you tell that 918 00:39:50,990 --> 00:39:49,440 story and tell what was going on inside 919 00:39:53,210 --> 00:39:51,000 of you 920 00:39:54,109 --> 00:39:53,220 yeah and also 921 00:39:56,810 --> 00:39:54,119 um 922 00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:56,820 let's also talk about the more about the 923 00:40:01,609 --> 00:39:59,040 people who are taking on these issues 924 00:40:02,390 --> 00:40:01,619 now because there are millions of us and 925 00:40:04,309 --> 00:40:02,400 uh 926 00:40:06,109 --> 00:40:04,319 and I want to encourage people to get 927 00:40:09,950 --> 00:40:06,119 involved because a part of what 928 00:40:12,050 --> 00:40:09,960 spirituality I think is is to get 929 00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:12,060 involved in the best possible ways with 930 00:40:19,490 --> 00:40:15,359 other human beings I'm not a monk by the 931 00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:19,500 way the the book that has captured the 932 00:40:26,329 --> 00:40:21,839 most of the hearts of people from the 933 00:40:29,210 --> 00:40:26,339 earlier writings is toxic psychiatry and 934 00:40:30,890 --> 00:40:29,220 it's still available it sold hundreds of 935 00:40:33,050 --> 00:40:30,900 thousands of books 936 00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:33,060 um and it um 937 00:40:37,690 --> 00:40:35,760 the subtitle of toxic Psychiatry I don't 938 00:40:41,329 --> 00:40:37,700 even think I can repeat but it's about 939 00:40:44,510 --> 00:40:41,339 how the biochemical theories and the 940 00:40:47,089 --> 00:40:44,520 lecture shock and the brain surgery or 941 00:40:49,309 --> 00:40:47,099 psychosurgery of the psychiatrist to be 942 00:40:52,490 --> 00:40:49,319 replaced with love and relationship here 943 00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:52,500 it is toxic Psychiatry why therapy 944 00:40:58,670 --> 00:40:55,200 empathy which has become a whole 945 00:41:01,690 --> 00:40:58,680 movement inside of your practice empathy 946 00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:01,700 and love must replace the drugs 947 00:41:08,809 --> 00:41:06,000 electroshock and biochemical theories of 948 00:41:10,430 --> 00:41:08,819 new Psychiatry and and if I can I want 949 00:41:12,650 --> 00:41:10,440 to add one other quote that I found that 950 00:41:14,809 --> 00:41:12,660 just struck me so 951 00:41:17,450 --> 00:41:14,819 uh I don't want to get too people think 952 00:41:18,290 --> 00:41:17,460 I'm just a big Fanboy but brilliant you 953 00:41:20,750 --> 00:41:18,300 write 954 00:41:23,450 --> 00:41:20,760 what's wrong with treating emotional 955 00:41:25,130 --> 00:41:23,460 crises the way we treat medical 956 00:41:27,770 --> 00:41:25,140 emergencies 957 00:41:30,589 --> 00:41:27,780 as if that isn't an obvious answer why 958 00:41:34,010 --> 00:41:30,599 should we transform ourselves in the 959 00:41:37,250 --> 00:41:34,020 process of trying to help other people 960 00:41:39,950 --> 00:41:37,260 how can we fine-tune ourselves to the 961 00:41:42,290 --> 00:41:39,960 feelings of others and that relates I 962 00:41:44,329 --> 00:41:42,300 think to this empathy thing that you're 963 00:41:48,770 --> 00:41:44,339 so tapped into so I'm sorry though 964 00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:48,780 please continue well it's good it's good 965 00:41:52,190 --> 00:41:49,440 um 966 00:41:54,290 --> 00:41:52,200 the I was a freshman at Harvard it 967 00:41:56,450 --> 00:41:54,300 wasn't New York it was Massachusetts and 968 00:41:58,609 --> 00:41:56,460 I was a freshman in Harvard and a friend 969 00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:58,619 invited me out to the State Mental 970 00:42:02,990 --> 00:42:00,240 Hospital a local state mental hospital 971 00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:03,000 to volunteer he and his older brother 972 00:42:06,970 --> 00:42:05,280 were both at Harvard and they had uh 973 00:42:10,550 --> 00:42:06,980 started this program 974 00:42:12,730 --> 00:42:10,560 and I eventually ended up leading the 975 00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:12,740 program for about a year and a half and 976 00:42:18,829 --> 00:42:16,560 that's how I got from being a potential 977 00:42:20,690 --> 00:42:18,839 Professor I was in a special American 978 00:42:22,849 --> 00:42:20,700 history and literature program at 979 00:42:25,490 --> 00:42:22,859 Harvard that was like you know grooming 980 00:42:28,849 --> 00:42:25,500 to be a professor of history and 981 00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:28,859 literature maybe a lawyer I wasn't sure 982 00:42:33,890 --> 00:42:31,680 I loved psychology but I had no interest 983 00:42:36,230 --> 00:42:33,900 in going into medicine 984 00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:36,240 and um when I walked into the State 985 00:42:41,329 --> 00:42:39,119 Mental Hospital I was immediately struck 986 00:42:43,690 --> 00:42:41,339 with my uncle Dutch's descriptions of 987 00:42:46,970 --> 00:42:43,700 liberating and Nazi extermination camp 988 00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:46,980 and also I was struck by my my feelings 989 00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:49,440 as a 10 year old in a movie theater 990 00:42:53,870 --> 00:42:52,079 watching a movie tone newsreel that my 991 00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:53,880 parents and I did not expect to see 992 00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:56,400 about the extermination of the Jews it 993 00:43:01,069 --> 00:42:58,800 was some of the first films that came 994 00:43:02,690 --> 00:43:01,079 out of heaps of Jews lying dead and 995 00:43:04,970 --> 00:43:02,700 others hanging onto the barbed wire 996 00:43:07,069 --> 00:43:04,980 barely having enough strength to hold 997 00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:07,079 themselves up and stuff 998 00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:08,880 and um 999 00:43:14,030 --> 00:43:11,760 I knew these were people I just knew it 1000 00:43:16,990 --> 00:43:14,040 I I cannot tell you why see this is to 1001 00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:17,000 me inexplicable I cannot tell you why 1002 00:43:22,730 --> 00:43:19,920 exactly at least uh 1003 00:43:25,309 --> 00:43:22,740 how I managed to connect and say you 1004 00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:25,319 know there but for the grace of God go I 1005 00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:27,359 and I don't think I believed in God at 1006 00:43:31,309 --> 00:43:28,800 that point I was a real you know 1007 00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:31,319 relativistic uh kind of a person and 1008 00:43:34,190 --> 00:43:32,640 everything 1009 00:43:35,930 --> 00:43:34,200 which I think some of the best 1010 00:43:37,849 --> 00:43:35,940 adolescents are 1011 00:43:41,329 --> 00:43:37,859 hopefully it doesn't go on forever and 1012 00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:41,339 you find some good values but um it was 1013 00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:44,160 just clear to me and um the other part 1014 00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:45,839 of it was it was clear these people were 1015 00:43:50,270 --> 00:43:47,760 in Despair and a lot of them when they 1016 00:43:52,910 --> 00:43:50,280 saw young students who were reasonably 1017 00:43:55,550 --> 00:43:52,920 well dressed and and really looked like 1018 00:43:57,290 --> 00:43:55,560 they were wanted to help they just loved 1019 00:43:59,450 --> 00:43:57,300 us 1020 00:44:01,670 --> 00:43:59,460 um in four years of being on the wards 1021 00:44:03,530 --> 00:44:01,680 often on my own eventually as a leader I 1022 00:44:06,290 --> 00:44:03,540 managed to give myself a pair of keys I 1023 00:44:09,230 --> 00:44:06,300 could go anywhere I never was threatened 1024 00:44:13,250 --> 00:44:09,240 on the violent Wars never 1025 00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:13,260 and um and I uh very early on figured 1026 00:44:18,170 --> 00:44:15,599 that this was not like the playground 1027 00:44:19,550 --> 00:44:18,180 where you didn't threaten Peter Reagan 1028 00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:19,560 because even though he wasn't very big 1029 00:44:25,550 --> 00:44:22,800 he would you would be just regret it it 1030 00:44:28,190 --> 00:44:25,560 was more like oh God these people just 1031 00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:28,200 need me to be absolutely non-violent 1032 00:44:32,030 --> 00:44:29,520 they just need me to be the least 1033 00:44:34,250 --> 00:44:32,040 threatening human pig on the face of the 1034 00:44:36,829 --> 00:44:34,260 earth I don't know where it where that 1035 00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:36,839 came from I I honestly cannot tell you I 1036 00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:39,119 did not have a religious upbringing 1037 00:44:43,370 --> 00:44:41,520 but the only time I heard the word is 1038 00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:43,380 love discussed was serious and this was 1039 00:44:48,770 --> 00:44:45,599 when a Christian girlfriend of mine Mary 1040 00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:48,780 uh took me to a Methodist Church I was 1041 00:44:53,870 --> 00:44:52,560 just well what is she talking about 1042 00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:53,880 um so I don't know where it comes from 1043 00:44:59,089 --> 00:44:56,400 and I think that a lot of our lives are 1044 00:45:01,609 --> 00:44:59,099 inexplicable their gifts 1045 00:45:03,890 --> 00:45:01,619 their gifts 1046 00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:03,900 and I think we should respect them I 1047 00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:05,760 think you each person should look at 1048 00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:08,400 their gifts and say okay what I've been 1049 00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:10,319 giving these gifts I'm good with people 1050 00:45:17,150 --> 00:45:13,440 or I'm good with writing or I'm Good As 1051 00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:17,160 a caretaker I'm as good as a leader I'm 1052 00:45:22,670 --> 00:45:19,760 I'm good with ideas 1053 00:45:25,010 --> 00:45:22,680 you know what are your positive gifts 1054 00:45:27,530 --> 00:45:25,020 and um how do you want to bring them 1055 00:45:29,329 --> 00:45:27,540 into the world and I guess that I didn't 1056 00:45:32,270 --> 00:45:29,339 know that at the time 1057 00:45:34,130 --> 00:45:32,280 but um I had a gift for being with 1058 00:45:35,930 --> 00:45:34,140 Disturbed people and making them feel 1059 00:45:38,690 --> 00:45:35,940 comfortable letting them that's not 1060 00:45:41,630 --> 00:45:38,700 making letting them feel comfortable and 1061 00:45:43,370 --> 00:45:41,640 we set up a program much against the 1062 00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:43,380 wishes of the superintendent but he 1063 00:45:47,690 --> 00:45:45,359 didn't want us to take our program 1064 00:45:49,309 --> 00:45:47,700 elsewhere I'd already visited other 1065 00:45:51,050 --> 00:45:49,319 state hospitals 1066 00:45:54,109 --> 00:45:51,060 and they were very interested in our 1067 00:45:55,790 --> 00:45:54,119 program and I said we want like 15 of 1068 00:45:57,410 --> 00:45:55,800 our students to have their own patients 1069 00:45:59,089 --> 00:45:57,420 you know we had several hundred going 1070 00:46:01,490 --> 00:45:59,099 through the wars from Harvard and 1071 00:46:04,190 --> 00:46:01,500 Radcliffe and 1072 00:46:05,809 --> 00:46:04,200 um finally they they gave us each one 1073 00:46:07,370 --> 00:46:05,819 one of our own patients that would be 1074 00:46:09,290 --> 00:46:07,380 there when we got there on a particular 1075 00:46:11,870 --> 00:46:09,300 day and we'd go every week 1076 00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:11,880 it's a big commitment and 1077 00:46:15,290 --> 00:46:12,960 um 1078 00:46:17,870 --> 00:46:15,300 we had a social worker a very gentle 1079 00:46:20,089 --> 00:46:17,880 kind social worker 1080 00:46:22,370 --> 00:46:20,099 um who at least one or two of the staff 1081 00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:22,380 tried to tell us just was a little kooky 1082 00:46:27,710 --> 00:46:24,480 or something it was a very sweet man and 1083 00:46:30,109 --> 00:46:27,720 he supervised us he's very gentle 1084 00:46:32,089 --> 00:46:30,119 and we got these patients who were so 1085 00:46:34,430 --> 00:46:32,099 bad off that we couldn't hurt them that 1086 00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:34,440 was the theory we got almost every one 1087 00:46:39,710 --> 00:46:36,240 of them out of the hospital 1088 00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:39,720 like whoa now psychiatry in those days 1089 00:46:43,270 --> 00:46:41,760 had room for social Psychiatry 1090 00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:43,280 psychological 1091 00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:45,359 psychoanalytics coaches no room in 1092 00:46:48,530 --> 00:46:47,040 Psychiatry and medicine for that now 1093 00:46:52,250 --> 00:46:48,540 because the drug companies have taken 1094 00:46:55,490 --> 00:46:52,260 over completely but then I got a lot of 1095 00:46:58,670 --> 00:46:55,500 encouragement for that man well I wonder 1096 00:47:00,890 --> 00:46:58,680 if you got a lot of encouragement or if 1097 00:47:02,210 --> 00:47:00,900 you created a lot of encouragement and 1098 00:47:04,670 --> 00:47:02,220 I'd like you to speak to that I don't 1099 00:47:06,530 --> 00:47:04,680 want to it's your story but you're 1100 00:47:08,750 --> 00:47:06,540 talking about bringing love into the 1101 00:47:10,490 --> 00:47:08,760 situation bringing light and we don't 1102 00:47:12,410 --> 00:47:10,500 know where that light comes from but we 1103 00:47:13,790 --> 00:47:12,420 know that light always shines and it 1104 00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:13,800 shines through brighter in some people 1105 00:47:19,609 --> 00:47:15,839 than others but you brought the light 1106 00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:19,619 and the light was able to affect the 1107 00:47:23,690 --> 00:47:21,119 darkness that you found because when you 1108 00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:23,700 walked in there there it was very very 1109 00:47:28,930 --> 00:47:26,160 dark as I understand it I mean very dark 1110 00:47:31,790 --> 00:47:28,940 what they were doing to people was 1111 00:47:34,190 --> 00:47:31,800 unimaginable and so I want you to speak 1112 00:47:36,829 --> 00:47:34,200 to that in terms of because it as it 1113 00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:36,839 relates now as it relates to your 1114 00:47:41,329 --> 00:47:38,880 current book Covenant 19 Global 1115 00:47:42,770 --> 00:47:41,339 Predators all that stuff isn't that the 1116 00:47:45,230 --> 00:47:42,780 solution we got to bring the light 1117 00:47:47,690 --> 00:47:45,240 because the light has a magic way of 1118 00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:47,700 transforming the evil that's what your 1119 00:47:51,950 --> 00:47:49,440 career is all about everywhere you go 1120 00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:51,960 it's impossible that is an impossible 1121 00:47:57,170 --> 00:47:55,680 situation one of the things that Ginger 1122 00:47:59,690 --> 00:47:57,180 and I 1123 00:48:02,870 --> 00:47:59,700 um Ginger's been with me for 40 years my 1124 00:48:04,549 --> 00:48:02,880 the reform work goes back another 35 to 1125 00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:04,559 when I was in whatever the numbers are 1126 00:48:09,530 --> 00:48:06,960 until I was 18 but we've been together 1127 00:48:11,569 --> 00:48:09,540 40 years and and we've been through an 1128 00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:11,579 enormous amount and we loved having the 1129 00:48:16,309 --> 00:48:13,200 reputation of being the conscience of 1130 00:48:19,910 --> 00:48:16,319 Psychiatry Peter and Ginger 1131 00:48:21,470 --> 00:48:19,920 um but when this came along we were very 1132 00:48:23,450 --> 00:48:21,480 nervous about getting into it because we 1133 00:48:25,790 --> 00:48:23,460 knew how violent we'd been treated by 1134 00:48:27,349 --> 00:48:25,800 the pharmaceutical industry and they 1135 00:48:29,630 --> 00:48:27,359 were kind of The Cutting Edge of this 1136 00:48:31,849 --> 00:48:29,640 covid-19 oppression they're not the 1137 00:48:34,130 --> 00:48:31,859 essence of it it's Way Beyond them it's 1138 00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:34,140 in the it's in the people who invest in 1139 00:48:40,370 --> 00:48:36,000 these companies it's in the people who 1140 00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:40,380 invest in uh the UN and into a world a 1141 00:48:45,170 --> 00:48:43,200 world order in a world order and who 1142 00:48:47,690 --> 00:48:45,180 really want to change things and get rid 1143 00:48:49,309 --> 00:48:47,700 of a lot of us things I never thought I 1144 00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:49,319 would say two years ago but it's there 1145 00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:51,359 for instance you'll be convinced if you 1146 00:48:55,010 --> 00:48:53,760 look at a book the book convinced me the 1147 00:48:57,049 --> 00:48:55,020 writing of the book I didn't want to 1148 00:48:58,990 --> 00:48:57,059 come to these conclusions such Grim 1149 00:49:01,730 --> 00:48:59,000 conclusions but we looked at each other 1150 00:49:04,130 --> 00:49:01,740 and basically we eventually looked at 1151 00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:04,140 each other and said well look our gifts 1152 00:49:10,970 --> 00:49:06,000 are 1153 00:49:13,849 --> 00:49:10,980 here doing this work all the people 1154 00:49:16,849 --> 00:49:13,859 we've met who has done the Deep dives 1155 00:49:18,589 --> 00:49:16,859 into Drug Company fraud and who has 1156 00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:18,599 looked at the interrelationships between 1157 00:49:22,970 --> 00:49:20,640 the FDA and the drug companies the way 1158 00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:22,980 I've done as a in my books and many of 1159 00:49:27,170 --> 00:49:24,720 my books I talk about these in the 1160 00:49:29,809 --> 00:49:27,180 relationships and we said in what are 1161 00:49:32,089 --> 00:49:29,819 our gifts you know what gifts do we have 1162 00:49:37,250 --> 00:49:32,099 this 1163 00:49:40,609 --> 00:49:37,260 I'm 80 going to be 86 today for God's 1164 00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:40,619 sakes I mean my wife is a bit younger 1165 00:49:44,569 --> 00:49:42,960 but um we looked at him we said well 1166 00:49:46,430 --> 00:49:44,579 that's what we're supposed to do 1167 00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:46,440 this is obviously what we're supposed to 1168 00:49:50,270 --> 00:49:48,720 do as to what the gifts are she laughed 1169 00:49:52,250 --> 00:49:50,280 and she said we always thought that the 1170 00:49:54,829 --> 00:49:52,260 two of us were brought together to do 1171 00:49:57,170 --> 00:49:54,839 this reform work in Psychiatry she said 1172 00:50:02,770 --> 00:49:57,180 I think that was prep for taking on 1173 00:50:05,569 --> 00:50:02,780 these globalists oh God honey yeah okay 1174 00:50:08,510 --> 00:50:05,579 but then we just kept meeting other 1175 00:50:11,210 --> 00:50:08,520 bright Souls we no longer felt like the 1176 00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:11,220 conscience of anything as a movement we 1177 00:50:16,670 --> 00:50:13,920 were just one of we won millions of 1178 00:50:19,370 --> 00:50:16,680 consciences and we've met a lot hundreds 1179 00:50:21,650 --> 00:50:19,380 of them personally or written to us or 1180 00:50:25,130 --> 00:50:21,660 communicated with us so folks if you get 1181 00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:25,140 involved with wanting to do something on 1182 00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:27,599 some political level some spiritual 1183 00:50:32,690 --> 00:50:30,720 level it could just be in a group in 1184 00:50:35,630 --> 00:50:32,700 your neighborhood creating a group for 1185 00:50:38,210 --> 00:50:35,640 like-minded souls to grow it could be a 1186 00:50:40,370 --> 00:50:38,220 political group if you're looking for 1187 00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:40,380 people who really do think that they're 1188 00:50:45,170 --> 00:50:42,720 supposed to use their gifts get involved 1189 00:50:46,970 --> 00:50:45,180 in this movement the book will introduce 1190 00:50:49,849 --> 00:50:46,980 you enough people you kind of get the 1191 00:50:52,010 --> 00:50:49,859 idea about who to who to check out and 1192 00:50:55,490 --> 00:50:52,020 you're going to find so many people who 1193 00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:55,500 shine with love we have never met many 1194 00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:58,079 couples like us who really built lives 1195 00:51:03,950 --> 00:51:01,440 together doing a real purposeful lives 1196 00:51:06,049 --> 00:51:03,960 together but among these mostly 1197 00:51:08,270 --> 00:51:06,059 Christian people we're meeting there 1198 00:51:10,670 --> 00:51:08,280 were so many who have these deep 1199 00:51:13,549 --> 00:51:10,680 spiritual convictions 1200 00:51:14,690 --> 00:51:13,559 and I know Mandy and you and your 1201 00:51:17,210 --> 00:51:14,700 audience 1202 00:51:19,670 --> 00:51:17,220 uh will be a little different from that 1203 00:51:22,849 --> 00:51:19,680 and you know you you will have a more 1204 00:51:25,010 --> 00:51:22,859 personal idea of spirituality 1205 00:51:28,609 --> 00:51:25,020 um you'll have a a kind of a 1206 00:51:30,829 --> 00:51:28,619 spirituality that that is about your 1207 00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:30,839 comfort and about finding peace and 1208 00:51:36,589 --> 00:51:33,599 finding good things like that but also 1209 00:51:39,049 --> 00:51:36,599 consider what it would be like if you 1210 00:51:40,970 --> 00:51:39,059 actually meet like-minded people who are 1211 00:51:44,809 --> 00:51:40,980 concerned about humanity and what's 1212 00:51:49,430 --> 00:51:44,819 happening it's so amazing to become 1213 00:51:51,290 --> 00:51:49,440 involved on that level but again if you 1214 00:51:53,089 --> 00:51:51,300 take care of yourself spiritually you're 1215 00:51:55,549 --> 00:51:53,099 doing number one you're doing the first 1216 00:51:58,190 --> 00:51:55,559 thing because you wanna as much as 1217 00:52:00,109 --> 00:51:58,200 possible when you get involved more with 1218 00:52:01,069 --> 00:52:00,119 the universe you want to be in a loving 1219 00:52:03,410 --> 00:52:01,079 mode 1220 00:52:06,049 --> 00:52:03,420 I had to give up being the Angry Young 1221 00:52:07,549 --> 00:52:06,059 Man in my 30s because I wasn't going to 1222 00:52:10,370 --> 00:52:07,559 do the right things and I was going to 1223 00:52:13,010 --> 00:52:10,380 wear myself out so think about how can 1224 00:52:14,690 --> 00:52:13,020 you bring more love into this world how 1225 00:52:17,030 --> 00:52:14,700 can you do it that's a really good 1226 00:52:19,430 --> 00:52:17,040 starting point for your very spiritual 1227 00:52:20,870 --> 00:52:19,440 and loving audience I think 1228 00:52:23,390 --> 00:52:20,880 you know it's interesting what you say 1229 00:52:26,569 --> 00:52:23,400 because it kind of turns the Paradigm 1230 00:52:29,150 --> 00:52:26,579 upside down it's like how do we take 1231 00:52:32,150 --> 00:52:29,160 action you mentioned earlier on some of 1232 00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:32,160 the response that you've gotten from the 1233 00:52:36,109 --> 00:52:35,040 book again covid-19 and the global 1234 00:52:38,270 --> 00:52:36,119 predators 1235 00:52:43,069 --> 00:52:38,280 is the name of the book you can find it 1236 00:52:45,349 --> 00:52:43,079 at bragan b r e g g i n.com where you 1237 00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:45,359 can order it directly yeah it's a little 1238 00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:47,040 complicated you can get it directly in 1239 00:52:51,910 --> 00:52:49,440 the United States at a discount at we 1240 00:52:55,609 --> 00:52:51,920 are the prey.com didn't you set up a 1241 00:52:57,710 --> 00:52:55,619 special uh dedicated book site we are 1242 00:52:59,930 --> 00:52:57,720 theprae.com 1243 00:53:02,030 --> 00:52:59,940 um if you want the e-book you can get it 1244 00:53:04,069 --> 00:53:02,040 at Amazon and you can also get the book 1245 00:53:06,890 --> 00:53:04,079 at Amazon and all the other book dealers 1246 00:53:09,530 --> 00:53:06,900 around the world but in the US at least 1247 00:53:11,329 --> 00:53:09,540 just for the book itself not the e-book 1248 00:53:14,030 --> 00:53:11,339 you can get it at we are the prey.com 1249 00:53:17,329 --> 00:53:14,040 and we made the price of the ebook very 1250 00:53:20,809 --> 00:53:17,339 low so that at 299 so that people can 1251 00:53:22,569 --> 00:53:20,819 really buy it and and feel comfortable 1252 00:53:26,990 --> 00:53:22,579 just spending a few bucks together 1253 00:53:28,670 --> 00:53:27,000 that's fantastic so the the book is a 1254 00:53:31,309 --> 00:53:28,680 starting point 1255 00:53:34,250 --> 00:53:31,319 I think that all the stuff we've talked 1256 00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:34,260 about here can be a good lead into the 1257 00:53:39,349 --> 00:53:37,200 book because the book can be heavy if 1258 00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:39,359 you're not indoctrinated if you haven't 1259 00:53:44,630 --> 00:53:42,960 woken up as they say to this stuff I 1260 00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:44,640 mean you're talking to we're listening 1261 00:53:49,609 --> 00:53:47,280 to Dr Peter bragan who's fought these 1262 00:53:51,650 --> 00:53:49,619 battles who's had who's had the 1263 00:53:52,790 --> 00:53:51,660 pharmaceutical companies call them up 1264 00:53:56,990 --> 00:53:52,800 and threaten them in the middle of the 1265 00:53:59,510 --> 00:53:57,000 night with death that he found a a phony 1266 00:54:01,849 --> 00:53:59,520 FBI agent came by and the next thing you 1267 00:54:04,609 --> 00:54:01,859 know he finds a gas leak in his house I 1268 00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:04,619 mean this is real at a level that and if 1269 00:54:08,510 --> 00:54:06,720 you think any of that doesn't happen I 1270 00:54:11,750 --> 00:54:08,520 mean just go read other accounts by 1271 00:54:14,450 --> 00:54:11,760 other people these guys are in it to win 1272 00:54:18,109 --> 00:54:14,460 it in a way that we don't even want to 1273 00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:18,119 think about but if so you don't so you 1274 00:54:23,750 --> 00:54:20,640 don't get too hung up on that think 1275 00:54:28,250 --> 00:54:23,760 about what he's saying now about what if 1276 00:54:30,290 --> 00:54:28,260 this is an opportunity to understand why 1277 00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:30,300 you shouldn't not be apathetic to 1278 00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:32,880 understand how and why you could connect 1279 00:54:39,049 --> 00:54:36,480 what could happen on the horizon of your 1280 00:54:41,930 --> 00:54:39,059 life if if you get to the other end of 1281 00:54:44,930 --> 00:54:41,940 this what if this is what if the great 1282 00:54:47,390 --> 00:54:44,940 reset is could be turned into a positive 1283 00:54:50,210 --> 00:54:47,400 great reset a great reset of love and 1284 00:54:53,390 --> 00:54:50,220 connection of community and that's what 1285 00:54:55,190 --> 00:54:53,400 I hear you saying 1286 00:54:57,770 --> 00:54:55,200 well I love what you're saying and it's 1287 00:55:00,589 --> 00:54:57,780 an emphasis uh that I haven't had this 1288 00:55:03,109 --> 00:55:00,599 so so strongly on any of the shows I've 1289 00:55:06,289 --> 00:55:03,119 been doing so good very very good for 1290 00:55:08,390 --> 00:55:06,299 getting to the heart on it um it is 1291 00:55:10,970 --> 00:55:08,400 definitely what life is about to me life 1292 00:55:13,730 --> 00:55:10,980 is about bringing love into the world we 1293 00:55:16,609 --> 00:55:13,740 we all are Spiritual Beings and the 1294 00:55:19,609 --> 00:55:16,619 essence of that is we can love period 1295 00:55:20,990 --> 00:55:19,619 and everything else is BS and craziness 1296 00:55:24,049 --> 00:55:21,000 and 1297 00:55:26,510 --> 00:55:24,059 um even in therapy if you if you can 1298 00:55:29,930 --> 00:55:26,520 deal with the person who's a profoundly 1299 00:55:32,089 --> 00:55:29,940 Disturbed but they can experience that 1300 00:55:34,010 --> 00:55:32,099 you are a caring human being and they 1301 00:55:36,650 --> 00:55:34,020 get a sense that they could like you 1302 00:55:38,329 --> 00:55:36,660 they'll stop hallucinating for 20 1303 00:55:39,530 --> 00:55:38,339 minutes while they talk to you then 1304 00:55:41,510 --> 00:55:39,540 you've got a lot of work to do and 1305 00:55:44,329 --> 00:55:41,520 they'll fall back they've been hurt 1306 00:55:46,970 --> 00:55:44,339 but it's about shining love and that's 1307 00:55:48,770 --> 00:55:46,980 what the judeo-christian tradition is 1308 00:55:52,309 --> 00:55:48,780 about it's about 1309 00:55:55,130 --> 00:55:52,319 there's a loving God and um it's about 1310 00:55:56,510 --> 00:55:55,140 you know that's from my viewpoint that's 1311 00:55:58,609 --> 00:55:56,520 what it's about that do you want to 1312 00:56:02,210 --> 00:55:58,619 bring love into the world 1313 00:56:04,730 --> 00:56:02,220 and and and not uh not act that of anger 1314 00:56:07,190 --> 00:56:04,740 or anxiety or rage and anything you do 1315 00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:07,200 in your life um but act out of reason 1316 00:56:12,589 --> 00:56:11,040 and ethics and the feeling of love not 1317 00:56:15,470 --> 00:56:12,599 easy to do 1318 00:56:16,549 --> 00:56:15,480 but it gets easier because it works so 1319 00:56:19,190 --> 00:56:16,559 well 1320 00:56:20,270 --> 00:56:19,200 and it's just it works really really 1321 00:56:21,890 --> 00:56:20,280 well 1322 00:56:24,829 --> 00:56:21,900 you know the last point I want to 1323 00:56:28,010 --> 00:56:24,839 comment on because I really wanted to 1324 00:56:31,490 --> 00:56:28,020 commend you on this and that is your 1325 00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:31,500 treatment of the Trump thing because I 1326 00:56:39,349 --> 00:56:35,520 know you were a big supporter of I think 1327 00:56:42,710 --> 00:56:39,359 the the spirit of what a lot of us 1328 00:56:45,309 --> 00:56:42,720 thought Trump was about was about being 1329 00:56:47,990 --> 00:56:45,319 our personal best and as a country 1330 00:56:51,710 --> 00:56:48,000 becoming our best and and what that 1331 00:56:55,309 --> 00:56:51,720 reflects and what that Taps into but I 1332 00:56:59,150 --> 00:56:55,319 think your willingness to see that maybe 1333 00:57:01,430 --> 00:56:59,160 that was tainted in a way and you know 1334 00:57:03,109 --> 00:57:01,440 for you to acknowledge that like you do 1335 00:57:05,930 --> 00:57:03,119 in the preface and say hey now I'm 1336 00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:05,940 having trouble really squaring what I 1337 00:57:10,730 --> 00:57:09,119 thought with his actions and now I have 1338 00:57:13,010 --> 00:57:10,740 to pull back and I have to change course 1339 00:57:14,990 --> 00:57:13,020 because I think that's another part of 1340 00:57:18,049 --> 00:57:15,000 this process right part of the process 1341 00:57:20,690 --> 00:57:18,059 is there's going to be tricky moments 1342 00:57:22,490 --> 00:57:20,700 where we're going to have to go oh the 1343 00:57:24,950 --> 00:57:22,500 assumptions I made maybe they weren't 1344 00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:24,960 right but maybe I can still find my 1345 00:57:28,250 --> 00:57:26,640 direction hasn't been 1346 00:57:29,809 --> 00:57:28,260 totally thrown off course because that's 1347 00:57:31,670 --> 00:57:29,819 what I see you doing saying hey 1348 00:57:33,410 --> 00:57:31,680 everything I'm saying is still important 1349 00:57:35,210 --> 00:57:33,420 I just need to 1350 00:57:37,789 --> 00:57:35,220 readjust here based on this information 1351 00:57:41,270 --> 00:57:37,799 do you want to speak to that at all 1352 00:57:43,730 --> 00:57:41,280 yeah well unfortunately everybody that I 1353 00:57:46,130 --> 00:57:43,740 know who is fighting for America's 1354 00:57:48,289 --> 00:57:46,140 survival and our freedom and who believe 1355 00:57:50,750 --> 00:57:48,299 in loving ways of relating actually 1356 00:57:53,150 --> 00:57:50,760 supported Trump and probably would still 1357 00:57:55,609 --> 00:57:53,160 vote for him again but something 1358 00:57:58,190 --> 00:57:55,619 Dreadful happened along the way I mean 1359 00:58:01,130 --> 00:57:58,200 he got com it was either getting 1360 00:58:04,370 --> 00:58:01,140 completely taken in and overwhelmed by 1361 00:58:06,289 --> 00:58:04,380 the Deep State and convinced that that 1362 00:58:08,829 --> 00:58:06,299 actually this was wonderful stuff 1363 00:58:12,710 --> 00:58:08,839 operation warp speed 1364 00:58:15,410 --> 00:58:12,720 this was great and so on uh you know 1365 00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:15,420 give supporting moderna and Pfizer with 1366 00:58:18,609 --> 00:58:17,040 billions of dollars and letting them 1367 00:58:22,910 --> 00:58:18,619 push through 1368 00:58:25,370 --> 00:58:22,920 essentially uh GMO vaccines turning us 1369 00:58:28,670 --> 00:58:25,380 into GMO people let alone worrying about 1370 00:58:32,809 --> 00:58:28,680 eating GMO corn magazines literally are 1371 00:58:35,750 --> 00:58:32,819 making us into GMO organisms 1372 00:58:40,250 --> 00:58:35,760 um he either got completely overwhelmed 1373 00:58:42,829 --> 00:58:40,260 by that or maybe also he got he just got 1374 00:58:44,750 --> 00:58:42,839 the you know pragmatic in his own mind 1375 00:58:46,670 --> 00:58:44,760 and decided that if he was against the 1376 00:58:49,370 --> 00:58:46,680 vaccines that he couldn't get reelected 1377 00:58:52,250 --> 00:58:49,380 I don't know which it was 1378 00:58:54,530 --> 00:58:52,260 but uh one of the things that I make so 1379 00:58:58,190 --> 00:58:54,540 clear in the book is that 1380 00:59:00,770 --> 00:58:58,200 by supporting America and every country 1381 00:59:03,829 --> 00:59:00,780 to say you take care of yourselves first 1382 00:59:05,990 --> 00:59:03,839 by supporting individual freedom and by 1383 00:59:08,890 --> 00:59:06,000 aligning himself against the global 1384 00:59:13,010 --> 00:59:08,900 Predators he actually fought globalism 1385 00:59:15,589 --> 00:59:13,020 even as he was electioneering he fought 1386 00:59:17,630 --> 00:59:15,599 the Koch family supposedly the great 1387 00:59:18,770 --> 00:59:17,640 saviors of the Republicans who are 1388 00:59:20,270 --> 00:59:18,780 supposed to be freedom-loving 1389 00:59:22,970 --> 00:59:20,280 Libertarians or they're just another 1390 00:59:24,710 --> 00:59:22,980 another bunch of global predators and 1391 00:59:27,770 --> 00:59:24,720 Trump spotted that and said I don't care 1392 00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:27,780 if you don't give me any money uh in his 1393 00:59:31,609 --> 00:59:29,520 typical manner you may be good guys yeah 1394 00:59:32,930 --> 00:59:31,619 good guys I like you but I don't want 1395 00:59:35,109 --> 00:59:32,940 your money 1396 00:59:39,410 --> 00:59:35,119 um and he um 1397 00:59:41,089 --> 00:59:39,420 uh he really got on a terribly wrong 1398 00:59:43,970 --> 00:59:41,099 track 1399 00:59:46,609 --> 00:59:43,980 um he hasn't come he's he's now comment 1400 00:59:49,190 --> 00:59:46,619 modified it somewhat but not completely 1401 00:59:51,410 --> 00:59:49,200 I don't know if he's man enough to say I 1402 00:59:53,150 --> 00:59:51,420 got Bamboozled or I made a wrong choice 1403 00:59:54,829 --> 00:59:53,160 I thought I had to do this politically 1404 00:59:56,870 --> 00:59:54,839 God forgive me 1405 00:59:59,089 --> 00:59:56,880 so there's a lot of discussion about 1406 01:00:02,569 --> 00:59:59,099 what were his motives but the problem 1407 01:00:04,910 --> 01:00:02,579 always is you don't get to a uh 1408 01:00:08,809 --> 01:00:04,920 generally speaking to a position of 1409 01:00:11,990 --> 01:00:08,819 great leadership without somehow being 1410 01:00:13,490 --> 01:00:12,000 willing to make serious compromises 1411 01:00:15,890 --> 01:00:13,500 and 1412 01:00:19,250 --> 01:00:15,900 um that's a grave misfortune 1413 01:00:21,530 --> 01:00:19,260 I don't think that we've probably had an 1414 01:00:23,510 --> 01:00:21,540 untainted largely untainted leadership 1415 01:00:26,230 --> 01:00:23,520 since the first few presidency of the 1416 01:00:29,450 --> 01:00:26,240 United States I mean George Washington 1417 01:00:32,030 --> 01:00:29,460 yes he was not a perfect man he had 1418 01:00:34,490 --> 01:00:32,040 slaves also the only man who ever freed 1419 01:00:37,190 --> 01:00:34,500 all his slaves on his wife's death out 1420 01:00:39,170 --> 01:00:37,200 of all these slave holders but but 1421 01:00:42,650 --> 01:00:39,180 Washington really didn't want to take 1422 01:00:45,470 --> 01:00:42,660 over the nation that is so unusual 1423 01:00:49,030 --> 01:00:45,480 I mean if when the war was over he was 1424 01:00:52,130 --> 01:00:49,040 presented by his troops with a deep like 1425 01:00:55,430 --> 01:00:52,140 insistence that he become king that they 1426 01:00:57,109 --> 01:00:55,440 march on uh on the Khan on the 1427 01:00:58,430 --> 01:00:57,119 Continental Congress and tell him they 1428 01:01:00,589 --> 01:00:58,440 had to get paid and they had to be 1429 01:01:02,450 --> 01:01:00,599 better taken care of and Washington 1430 01:01:04,490 --> 01:01:02,460 found out they were having this meeting 1431 01:01:07,250 --> 01:01:04,500 actually in a church and he went there 1432 01:01:09,470 --> 01:01:07,260 and he put on his glasses which he never 1433 01:01:12,950 --> 01:01:09,480 did he really played to how sad and 1434 01:01:14,809 --> 01:01:12,960 tired he was and he said we fought for 1435 01:01:17,390 --> 01:01:14,819 freedom this is what I've done are these 1436 01:01:19,430 --> 01:01:17,400 years Valley Forge I hold this I've 1437 01:01:21,890 --> 01:01:19,440 given you and now you want to make me a 1438 01:01:24,470 --> 01:01:21,900 king and he didn't and they all felt 1439 01:01:26,030 --> 01:01:24,480 guilty and there was no takeover and it 1440 01:01:27,829 --> 01:01:26,040 is literally the first time in history 1441 01:01:29,450 --> 01:01:27,839 of the world which gives you an idea of 1442 01:01:32,569 --> 01:01:29,460 what happens to leaders this early 1443 01:01:35,270 --> 01:01:32,579 question where a man who had an army at 1444 01:01:37,010 --> 01:01:35,280 his back and could have taken over a 1445 01:01:38,390 --> 01:01:37,020 country and most of the people in the 1446 01:01:40,190 --> 01:01:38,400 country would have been absolutely 1447 01:01:43,370 --> 01:01:40,200 delighted probably including the 1448 01:01:46,970 --> 01:01:43,380 monarchists and he said no we're about 1449 01:01:49,190 --> 01:01:46,980 something new human Freedom under God 1450 01:01:52,730 --> 01:01:49,200 that's what he believed 1451 01:01:56,529 --> 01:01:52,740 and uh very few people like him and 1452 01:02:01,490 --> 01:01:58,609 you know what I think we keep coming 1453 01:02:03,710 --> 01:02:01,500 back to in this discussion this 1454 01:02:06,470 --> 01:02:03,720 wonderful wonderful sharing that you've 1455 01:02:09,770 --> 01:02:06,480 done for so many for all of us today is 1456 01:02:13,130 --> 01:02:09,780 the idea that that moral compass that is 1457 01:02:15,650 --> 01:02:13,140 inside us that is more than just this 1458 01:02:17,150 --> 01:02:15,660 sack of meat up there we're more than a 1459 01:02:19,670 --> 01:02:17,160 biological robot in a meaningless 1460 01:02:23,210 --> 01:02:19,680 Universe we know it we knew it from our 1461 01:02:25,789 --> 01:02:23,220 earliest baby thoughts but that that 1462 01:02:27,170 --> 01:02:25,799 moral compass is always there and we can 1463 01:02:29,450 --> 01:02:27,180 follow it that's what keeps coming 1464 01:02:31,609 --> 01:02:29,460 through in your work and even if you get 1465 01:02:33,770 --> 01:02:31,619 duped by a politician here or there 1466 01:02:35,809 --> 01:02:33,780 don't look to the politician look to the 1467 01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:35,819 ideals behind it because that's what we 1468 01:02:42,609 --> 01:02:38,640 love about America and it's okay to say 1469 01:02:50,210 --> 01:02:47,150 we love the ideals we love the life 1470 01:02:53,270 --> 01:02:50,220 liberty and pursuit of happiness that we 1471 01:02:56,569 --> 01:02:53,280 can always stand on and and that's why I 1472 01:02:58,910 --> 01:02:56,579 I am I'm very very please that you're 1473 01:03:00,109 --> 01:02:58,920 able to make that shift on and able to 1474 01:03:02,630 --> 01:03:00,119 say you know 1475 01:03:04,910 --> 01:03:02,640 hey I'm there like everyone else maybe I 1476 01:03:06,109 --> 01:03:04,920 went down the train a little bit too far 1477 01:03:08,870 --> 01:03:06,119 with this guy 1478 01:03:11,569 --> 01:03:08,880 screw that what I'm about is the ideals 1479 01:03:13,130 --> 01:03:11,579 of life liberty Pursuit of Happiness and 1480 01:03:16,370 --> 01:03:13,140 you just come back to that like your 1481 01:03:19,789 --> 01:03:16,380 rock as is what comes through in your 1482 01:03:22,010 --> 01:03:19,799 your most recent work so tell us what is 1483 01:03:24,130 --> 01:03:22,020 going on now what is it you you do a 1484 01:03:27,230 --> 01:03:24,140 podcast 1485 01:03:30,650 --> 01:03:27,240 we're doing a lot of things a lot of yes 1486 01:03:32,569 --> 01:03:30,660 well we I think we may be doing too many 1487 01:03:35,510 --> 01:03:32,579 things the way to keep track of what 1488 01:03:38,690 --> 01:03:35,520 we're doing is to go to bregan.com and 1489 01:03:40,670 --> 01:03:38,700 get our uh breaking alerts they 1490 01:03:42,470 --> 01:03:40,680 sometimes call frequent alerts so we're 1491 01:03:44,150 --> 01:03:42,480 changing it to regular alerts whichever 1492 01:03:47,450 --> 01:03:44,160 you see get the alerts and they're 1493 01:03:50,690 --> 01:03:47,460 they're free they go out to about 45 1494 01:03:55,190 --> 01:03:50,700 000 people and the opening rate for them 1495 01:03:58,130 --> 01:03:55,200 is um is like 50 which is unheard of 1496 01:04:01,190 --> 01:03:58,140 opening rates for online 1497 01:04:03,589 --> 01:04:01,200 um uh things like this are like eight 1498 01:04:05,390 --> 01:04:03,599 ten percent so people really like what 1499 01:04:07,549 --> 01:04:05,400 we're doing that's the best way to find 1500 01:04:10,190 --> 01:04:07,559 out about us 1501 01:04:11,930 --> 01:04:10,200 um in addition to our website America 1502 01:04:15,589 --> 01:04:11,940 out loud 1503 01:04:17,990 --> 01:04:15,599 we my wife and I do columns there 1504 01:04:20,210 --> 01:04:18,000 once a week we have a column on America 1505 01:04:22,370 --> 01:04:20,220 out loud it's a great place you'll see 1506 01:04:25,130 --> 01:04:22,380 Peter McCullough there use the greatest 1507 01:04:28,730 --> 01:04:25,140 scientist today of covid-19 Peter 1508 01:04:31,250 --> 01:04:28,740 McCullough is regularly there and 1509 01:04:33,230 --> 01:04:31,260 um we are doing on Thursday nights and 1510 01:04:35,390 --> 01:04:33,240 this is going to be the first time this 1511 01:04:40,210 --> 01:04:35,400 Thursday 1512 01:04:43,789 --> 01:04:40,220 um we will be on the air at five o'clock 1513 01:04:46,370 --> 01:04:43,799 Ginger and I together you want to hear 1514 01:04:48,950 --> 01:04:46,380 the first show in 40 years we've done 1515 01:04:52,430 --> 01:04:48,960 together tune in Thursday night at 1516 01:04:56,089 --> 01:04:52,440 America out loud or get the show later 1517 01:04:57,829 --> 01:04:56,099 on it skips archived and um we're a 1518 01:05:00,049 --> 01:04:57,839 little edgy we're a little not yet 1519 01:05:01,730 --> 01:05:00,059 working together and yet we are you'll 1520 01:05:03,470 --> 01:05:01,740 get a real good sense of she and I 1521 01:05:06,170 --> 01:05:03,480 trying to do something we've never done 1522 01:05:08,809 --> 01:05:06,180 before which is partner on the air she's 1523 01:05:10,430 --> 01:05:08,819 always pushed me on the air and refused 1524 01:05:13,789 --> 01:05:10,440 to go with me 1525 01:05:16,370 --> 01:05:13,799 um and then I have a regular TV show 1526 01:05:19,010 --> 01:05:16,380 which is you can get on Roku so it's 1527 01:05:20,589 --> 01:05:19,020 real TV and it's on yeah the station is 1528 01:05:24,430 --> 01:05:20,599 brighty on 1529 01:05:29,870 --> 01:05:24,440 b-r-i-g-h-t dot e not that Brighton 1530 01:05:32,390 --> 01:05:29,880 b-r-i-g-h-t bright eon eon dot TV 1531 01:05:35,450 --> 01:05:32,400 um and uh we were taken down off YouTube 1532 01:05:38,029 --> 01:05:35,460 45 minutes after I did my first video on 1533 01:05:41,750 --> 01:05:38,039 the book 45 minutes after I did my first 1534 01:05:46,910 --> 01:05:41,760 video for Life taken down and so we are 1535 01:05:49,970 --> 01:05:46,920 on brighton.com for our videos so and we 1536 01:05:52,430 --> 01:05:49,980 do I'm on other regular things the best 1537 01:05:55,910 --> 01:05:52,440 way to find me is is get the frequent 1538 01:05:59,329 --> 01:05:55,920 alerts and the TV show which I love on 1539 01:06:00,589 --> 01:05:59,339 um which is live it's actually live that 1540 01:06:04,190 --> 01:06:00,599 uh 1541 01:06:08,510 --> 01:06:04,200 um Wednesdays at 6 p.m Wednesdays at 6 1542 01:06:10,490 --> 01:06:08,520 p.m live on brighton.tv 1543 01:06:13,309 --> 01:06:10,500 terrific and we'll obviously have all 1544 01:06:15,349 --> 01:06:13,319 those links up there and I wasn't aware 1545 01:06:19,670 --> 01:06:15,359 that they've made this book available 1546 01:06:22,250 --> 01:06:19,680 for 2.99 on Amazon so there's absolutely 1547 01:06:25,069 --> 01:06:22,260 no barrier the the e-book no barrier 1548 01:06:28,309 --> 01:06:25,079 exactly there's no barrier to the basic 1549 01:06:30,589 --> 01:06:28,319 information and the basic information is 1550 01:06:32,569 --> 01:06:30,599 hard to swallow but it's life-changing 1551 01:06:36,109 --> 01:06:32,579 it's life-changing it opens up a new 1552 01:06:37,789 --> 01:06:36,119 door and you have to you have to go 1553 01:06:39,950 --> 01:06:37,799 there who wants to be 1554 01:06:42,410 --> 01:06:39,960 keeping their head in this sand no 1555 01:06:44,450 --> 01:06:42,420 matter what it is we can handle it you 1556 01:06:46,010 --> 01:06:44,460 could here's a guy who's fought for 1557 01:06:47,630 --> 01:06:46,020 years and years and he's handled it 1558 01:06:50,210 --> 01:06:47,640 that's what we're here to do is bring 1559 01:06:52,490 --> 01:06:50,220 the light like dot like our guest Dr 1560 01:06:55,250 --> 01:06:52,500 Peter Bringin has brought the light 1561 01:06:57,710 --> 01:06:55,260 today Dr Brigham thanks again so much 1562 01:06:59,569 --> 01:06:57,720 for joining me it's just it's just 1563 01:07:01,130 --> 01:06:59,579 awesome to be in your presence and to 1564 01:07:03,170 --> 01:07:01,140 hear you so thank you 1565 01:07:05,089 --> 01:07:03,180 well this has been a gift to me actually 1566 01:07:07,010 --> 01:07:05,099 it's the first time somebody kept 1567 01:07:08,630 --> 01:07:07,020 bringing me back down to the basic 1568 01:07:10,789 --> 01:07:08,640 Basics it's interesting I've given 1569 01:07:13,549 --> 01:07:10,799 hundreds of interviews yours is the one 1570 01:07:16,670 --> 01:07:13,559 that that actually kept coming back to 1571 01:07:18,529 --> 01:07:16,680 the basics that we live by 1572 01:07:19,670 --> 01:07:18,539 um and I thought you're a little bit on 1573 01:07:22,609 --> 01:07:19,680 it because I always want to tell people 1574 01:07:24,529 --> 01:07:22,619 about the global Predators you did a 1575 01:07:27,170 --> 01:07:24,539 great job thank you you gave me a gift 1576 01:07:29,870 --> 01:07:27,180 today thank you 1577 01:07:32,150 --> 01:07:29,880 thanks again to Peter bregen for joining 1578 01:07:34,250 --> 01:07:32,160 me today on skeptico the one question I 1579 01:07:36,410 --> 01:07:34,260 T up from this interview it's kind of a 1580 01:07:39,170 --> 01:07:36,420 repeat question but it it always looks 1581 01:07:40,910 --> 01:07:39,180 different when you talk to somebody new 1582 01:07:43,789 --> 01:07:40,920 when you talk to somebody who's really 1583 01:07:46,130 --> 01:07:43,799 so talent and has such an amazing 1584 01:07:47,750 --> 01:07:46,140 background as this guy but it's the 1585 01:07:51,890 --> 01:07:47,760 question of evil 1586 01:07:55,130 --> 01:07:51,900 and it's with this ability for some 1587 01:08:00,589 --> 01:07:55,140 people to not to connect to not see 1588 01:08:04,970 --> 01:08:00,599 other people as Spiritual Beings is that 1589 01:08:07,490 --> 01:08:04,980 ever ever under any circumstances 1590 01:08:10,490 --> 01:08:07,500 something more than biology something 1591 01:08:13,609 --> 01:08:10,500 more than nature or nurture 1592 01:08:16,669 --> 01:08:13,619 is it ever possible that that could be 1593 01:08:17,749 --> 01:08:16,679 influenced by what I call this extended 1594 01:08:20,390 --> 01:08:17,759 Realm 1595 01:08:22,550 --> 01:08:20,400 you know a couple interviews ago we did 1596 01:08:24,110 --> 01:08:22,560 the interview with Dean Rayden and I was 1597 01:08:25,070 --> 01:08:24,120 pretty hard on him in a couple respects 1598 01:08:27,490 --> 01:08:25,080 but 1599 01:08:31,010 --> 01:08:27,500 you know don't forget that 1600 01:08:34,550 --> 01:08:31,020 parapsychology and these Psy experiments 1601 01:08:35,930 --> 01:08:34,560 do show that there is more right so even 1602 01:08:38,329 --> 01:08:35,940 if you take like the simple 1603 01:08:40,370 --> 01:08:38,339 pre-sentiment experiment you know one 1604 01:08:42,890 --> 01:08:40,380 the one where they show the image on the 1605 01:08:45,349 --> 01:08:42,900 screen and before the image is even 1606 01:08:49,430 --> 01:08:45,359 selected by the computer your body 1607 01:08:50,890 --> 01:08:49,440 reacts well that says there's more that 1608 01:08:54,590 --> 01:08:50,900 says the clock 1609 01:08:57,110 --> 01:08:54,600 isn't in play like we think it is in 1610 01:09:01,309 --> 01:08:57,120 materialistic epiphenomena mind equals 1611 01:09:03,709 --> 01:09:01,319 brain stuff it really falsifies that but 1612 01:09:05,749 --> 01:09:03,719 people aren't willing to make and you 1613 01:09:08,570 --> 01:09:05,759 don't have to but you know people aren't 1614 01:09:10,070 --> 01:09:08,580 willing to make that theoretical leap to 1615 01:09:12,970 --> 01:09:10,080 saying 1616 01:09:16,490 --> 01:09:12,980 is that does that open the door for 1617 01:09:19,249 --> 01:09:16,500 maybe evil being more maybe good being 1618 01:09:21,289 --> 01:09:19,259 more maybe light being more I think it's 1619 01:09:24,470 --> 01:09:21,299 rather obvious I think it's rather 1620 01:09:28,550 --> 01:09:24,480 self-evident but obviously not everybody 1621 01:09:31,130 --> 01:09:28,560 sees it that way what's your opinion let 1622 01:09:33,769 --> 01:09:31,140 me know and I do have a lot more coming 1623 01:09:36,950 --> 01:09:33,779 up on skeptico so stay with me for all 1624 01:09:39,620 --> 01:09:36,960 of that until next time take care and